[Rumour] The Athletic: Stars are frontrunners to land E. Karlsson. Ryan not part of the deal. - Page 10 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Buff · 07-05-2018, 10:07 AM

Well, they refused to send Hoffman to Florida because they didn't want to trade within their own division, so why would they do that with a player who is probably twice as important?

It only makes sense to me if they don't want to feel the heat for taking a lesser return in two trades just to keep a player out of their division. Obviously they felt that a lesser return on Hoffman wasn't going to hurt them as much as a lesser return on Karlsson.

The interesting note would be Karlsson and Hoffman in the same state. Can you imagine the NHL media circus for the first game or two that those two teams meat? Neither guy is a fighter but you can bet the media will turn it into a big deal.

iloveicedhockey · 07-05-2018, 10:07 AM

Sergachev, point, gourde and cal foote are bricking it right now.

Otto-matic · 07-05-2018, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Ottawa would have to send him out west. Trading Karlsson into your own division would come back to bite you. Also, it would be even more horrible for fan morale.

I think its even worse if you take a lesser deal for a player like EK.

TBH Ottawa is entering a rebuild, they shouldn't worry about having someone like Karlsson in the same division. They need to get the best bunch of players they can regardless of it being a team in their division.

dissentowner · 07-05-2018, 11:19 AM

If TB gets Karlsson you might as well hand them the SC right now.

Toonage · 07-05-2018, 11:22 AM

I knew when they showed up at the ASG together dressed as pirates that Hedman & Karlsson was meant to be.

SuperMatt18 · 07-05-2018, 11:25 AM

I'd be very hesitant to trade Sergachev or Point for Karlsson.

Those guys are great value on ELCs and are going to be relatively cheap for 4 to 5 more seasons.

Point at $5-6M + another player at $5-6M vs Karlsson at $11M ... I'm not sure what makes them a better team TBH.

Especially if getting Karlsson means they have to move Kucherov (their best forward IMO) in a separate deal.

Hockeyguy15 · 07-05-2018, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I'd be very hesitant to trade Sergachev or Point for Karlsson.

Those guys are great value on ELCs and are going to be relatively cheap for 4 to 5 more seasons.

Point at $5-6M + another player at $5-6M vs Karlsson at $11M ... I'm not sure what makes them a better team TBH.

Especially if getting Karlsson means they have to move Kucherov (their best forward IMO) in a separate deal.

Twist my arm, we can take Kucherov off their hands.

Oling_Roachinen · 07-05-2018, 11:26 AM

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I never understood the concept of taking a lesser return because you are worried about the player coming back to haunt you 4 or 5 games a season as opposed to 2 out of conference..

The two additional games isn't the only reason. It's the idea that you made a divisional rival that you're directly competing with better. Imagine missing the playoffs by 1 point to that divisional rival? Or getting knocked out in the playoffs by that team? That's where teams become hesitant.

Moving Karlsson the Senators don't have much hope to make the playoffs in the near future (though stranger things have happened) so I don't see it as a big deal.

SuperMatt18 · 07-05-2018, 11:31 AM

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Twist my arm, we can take Kucherov off their hands.

I'd love it too.

Honestly no idea why Tampa Bay is even thinking of trading him to make room for Karlsson as the rumors suggest.

He just turned 25, is 5th in the league in Points per Game over the last 3 seasons (1.01 PPG) & tied for 3rd in goals over that same time period (138 in 313 GP).

Also averaging a PPG in the playoffs over that same time period with 28 goals, and 58 points in 60 playoff games. (2nd only to Ovechkin in playoff goals over the last 3 seasons).

And this is a guy you are trading off of your team when you are trying to take the next step as a cup contender - makes no sense.

If he is available then the Flames should be all over it, Gaudreau and him on the same line/team would be magic.

Textcritic · 07-05-2018, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

If TB gets Karlsson you might as well hand them the SC right now.

That's not how it works.

Who thought when the playoffs started that Washington would even get to the Conference Finals? Who thought that if they did they would have any chance against what then looked like a stacked, unbeatable Lightning team?

One of the many great things about hockey is that the translation from paper on to the ice is never seamless, and it is usually messy.

iloveicedhockey · 07-05-2018, 11:38 AM

The guys I listed were the only significant pieces I could see without some form of no trade, with the exception of kucherov. That mcdonagh deal doesn't look particularly great.

It's difficult to see him wanting to sign in Ottawa beyond this year if he is part of the package.

Erick Estrada · 07-05-2018, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

If TB gets Karlsson you might as well hand them the SC right now.

I thought the NHL was handing the cup to the Leafs?

mrdonkey · 07-05-2018, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I thought the NHL was handing the cup to the Leafs?

The NHL is moving to a four cup system. One each awarded in October to the Oilers, Lightning, and Leafs, while the peasant teams compete for the other. I have it on good sources the peasant cup will be a Troll doll nailed to a piece of plywood.

trackercowe · 07-05-2018, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I thought the NHL was handing the cup to the Leafs?

I thought the Oilers were going to win it. It's simple math!

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Originally Posted by mrdonkey

The NHL is moving to a four cup system. One each awarded in October to the Oilers, Lightning, and Leafs, while the peasant teams compete for the other. I have it on good sources the peasant cup will be a Troll doll nailed to a piece of plywood.

The Oilers will be awarded theirs in September. Pre-season champions 2018 Baby!

dissentowner · 07-05-2018, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I'd love it too.

Honestly no idea why Tampa Bay is even thinking of trading him to make room for Karlsson as the rumors suggest.

He just turned 25, is 5th in the league in Points per Game over the last 3 seasons (1.01 PPG) & tied for 3rd in goals over that same time period (138 in 313 GP).

Also averaging a PPG in the playoffs over that same time period with 28 goals, and 58 points in 60 playoff games. (2nd only to Ovechkin in playoff goals over the last 3 seasons).

And this is a guy you are trading off of your team when you are trying to take the next step as a cup contender - makes no sense.

If he is available then the Flames should be all over it, Gaudreau and him on the same line/team would be magic.

They won't trade Kucherov. They will make other moves to fit in Karlsson.

sureLoss · 07-05-2018, 02:27 PM

Travis Yost @travisyost
Per source, teams around the league have been engaged as a third party to help facilitate a potential Erik Karlsson/Tampa Bay trade. Have to make salaries work.

dammage79 · 07-05-2018, 02:28 PM

Tyler Johnson can go along with Sergachev I think. That would be right in the Sens wheelhouse. Along with that low 1st round pick. That seems like good value for Karlsson.

Toonage · 07-05-2018, 02:31 PM

Worth noting

https://twitter.com/user/status/1014969378490802178

AC · 07-05-2018, 02:38 PM

Mark Stone filing for arbitration.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1014971769784946688

Jeff Lebowski · 07-05-2018, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Ottawa would have to send him out west. Trading Karlsson into your own division would come back to bite you. Also, it would be even more horrible for fan morale.

I think you just make the best deal possible regardless of where the destination is. If an Eastern team is offering the best assets, I take that offer 10/10.