[PGT] Flames lose in OT for once

[dieHARDflameZ]

Columbus is a hell of a team. Thrilled Mike Smith stole us a point but that play by Brodie in OT was far too non-chalant.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Yes, you can:

Johnny Gaudreau and Sean Monahan are incapable of playing the entire overtime period by themselves.

Who else would you play? Backlund and Frolik had just come off, Gaudreau and Monahan were probably still tired. Ferland, probably not suitable for overtime. Jagr, definitely not, Brouwer and Freddie, definitely not.

That leaves Tkachuk, Jankowski, Bennett, and Versteeg. In terms of players who have been the most productive lately, Tkachuk, Versteeg, and Jankowski have all been scouring to an extent of late.

You are grasping at straws to push this bizarre Jones/Versteeg agenda of yours. Ferland isn't suitable for OT? One of our better puck protectors and controlled zone entry guys, best forward skaters, better backcheckers, best shooters, better passing forwards..what makes him less suitable for OT? Versteeg can't even skate we enough to play 3v3, while Ferland generates odd man rushes at 5v5 alone every game. And I can think of a dozen+ combinations of players I would throw out there before anything containing Versteeg.

Brodie-Jankowski-Tkachuk
Hamilton-Jankowski-Tkachuk
Brodie-Jankowski-D.Hamilton (2D 1F... it works)
Brodie-Jankowski-Ferland
Kulak-Jankowski-Hamonic
Brodie-Bennett-D.Hamilton
Brodie-Bennett-Tkachuk
Brodie-Bennett-Ferland
D.Hamilton-Bennett-Tkachuk
Brodie-Bennett-Jankowski
D.Hamilton-Bennett-Jankowski
Brodie-D.Hamilton-Stone

I'm sure someone could come up with more permutations than that.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Wyguy

If we are stuck with GG, Brodie has to go. I would love it if we would drop GG, out Brodie on his off-side, and see how it works for the rest of the season.

7-2-1 enough about the coach you are acting like a troll

[CF84]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

The problem with the put Brodie back on the right side argument ignores that he was still pretty flawed defensively on that side, it just made him better offensively.

Maybe you don't remember Brodie on that side, because he wasn't very flawed defensively. Brodie bailed out Gio almost as much as Gio bailing out Brodie.

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by zamler

Why should I be happy with 1 point when we could have made it two. Why should I ever be happy with losing.

You act like the two points was a guarantee. Bobrovsky has been red hot lately and leads the league in save %. Let’s not pretend like this was some guaranteed win if Brodie doesn’t flub that.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

You are grasping at straws to push this bizarre Jones/Versteeg agenda of yours. Ferland isn't suitable for OT? One of our better puck protectors and controlled zone entry guys, best forward skaters, better backcheckers, best shooters, better passing forwards..what makes him less suitable for OT? Versteeg can't even skate we enough to play 3v3, while Ferland generates odd man rushes at 5v5 alone every game. And I can think of a dozen+ combinations of players I would throw out there before anything containing Versteeg.

Brodie-Jankowski-Tkachuk
Hamilton-Jankowski-Tkachuk
Brodie-Jankowski-D.Hamilton (2D 1F... it works)
Brodie-Jankowski-Ferland
Kulak-Jankowski-Hamonic
Brodie-Bennett-D.Hamilton
Brodie-Bennett-Tkachuk
Brodie-Bennett-Ferland
D.Hamilton-Bennett-Tkachuk
Brodie-Bennett-Jankowski
D.Hamilton-Bennett-Jankowski
Brodie-D.Hamilton-Stone

I'm sure someone could come up with more permutations than that.

lol this guy...they were as good as any 3rd pairing of forwards they could have thrown out there.

How on earth could be blame Versteeg in this situation? or the Coach who has the best OT record in the NHL.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by CF84

Maybe you don't remember Brodie on that side, because he wasn't very flawed defensively. Brodie bailed out Gio almost as much as Gio bailing out Brodie.

I remember him pretty well on that side. He's playing worse now as him and Hamonic aren't clicking, but he was super prone to all the things he's doing this season. People just decided to ignore it cause he was pretty much a garauntre to give us one to two offensive highlight reel plays a night.

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Can we just put Brodie - Stone together next game please?
I know Hamonic is supposed to be higher on the food chain but the chemistry just isn't there.
Hell, put Kulak - Hamonic on the 2nd pair and move Brodie - Stone to the 3rd pair and even out the minutes, I'm okay with that.

Agreed with this. Both Brodie and Stone seemed energized when they were put back together as the second pair. Then balance out the minutes with Kulak / Hamonic -- Kulak has played well and could handle the additional ice time.

[Beninho]

3M line hasn't been too great offensively this year. I think putting Tkachuk with some different players could be interesting.

[Buff]

You know how we love to read the ATL in the post game thread after a Flames win? It's funny to read the lame reactions from other team's fans.

I don't know if any other forum does the same but this thread gives massive fuel to anyone that may do their own ATL.

The knee jerk reactions in this thread are embarrassing.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

You are grasping at straws to push this bizarre Jones/Versteeg agenda of yours. Ferland isn't suitable for OT? One of our better puck protectors and controlled zone entry guys, best forward skaters, better backcheckers, best shooters, better passing forwards..what makes him less suitable for OT? Versteeg can't even skate we enough to play 3v3, while Ferland generates odd man rushes at 5v5 alone every game. And I can think of a dozen+ combinations of players I would throw out there before anything containing Versteeg.

Brodie-Jankowski-Tkachuk
Hamilton-Jankowski-Tkachuk
Brodie-Jankowski-D.Hamilton (2D 1F... it works)
Brodie-Jankowski-Ferland
Kulak-Jankowski-Hamonic
Brodie-Bennett-D.Hamilton
Brodie-Bennett-Tkachuk
Brodie-Bennett-Ferland
D.Hamilton-Bennett-Tkachuk
Brodie-Bennett-Jankowski
D.Hamilton-Bennett-Jankowski
Brodie-D.Hamilton-Stone

I'm sure someone could come up with more permutations than that.

You would throw out a unit of three defensemen? That's asinine. Put out guys who can move the puck and make plays. Versteeg is one of the most creative forwards on the team.

I have nothing against Ferland, maybe he'd be a good option in overtime. I'd want to see it in action, for sure.

[Gaskal]

If you're gonna blame anybody, blame the terrible Columbus ice.

And I thought our own Dome ice and Chicago's were the worst. Tonight the puck was jumping around like a grasshopper.

[bigrangy]

Also damn Josh Anderson and Oliver Bjorkstrand are solid guys

I wish one of Klimchuk/Poirier/Smith could have turned out like those guys

Columbus has done very well getting strong depth out of later-drafted players

[zamler]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

You act like the two points was a guarantee.

Nonsense, almost nothing is a sure thing. Give the puck away like that and you drastically reduce the chances of winning.

Bobrovsky has been red hot lately and leads the league in save %. Let’s not pretend like this was some guaranteed win if Brodie doesn’t flub that.

No one is pretending anything. I swear some of you are utterly unable to accept valid criticisms of players, Brodie craps the bed better bring up the last 10 record, the Oilers, the OT record.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Wyguy

I've never been on board the trade Brodie campaign. He was homegrown, and he had a good season a while back. However, he has been absolutely horrible lately. Beyond horrible. I still think he has tons of value and would like to trade him now. He has been too bad for us right now, and I do not think we can win with him on our team.

OK....so who do you suggest plays his 25 minutes a night then? Cause you aren't getting another guy back that will do so, unless he costs at least a couple million more a year. Never mind he is 4th on the team in points scored as well as the top offensive D man.

Its all well and good to want to trade a player but someone as important to this team as he is, simply is not replaceable with a wave of the magic wand.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

No matter how mad anyone is here, you know Brodie feels 1000 times worse. But we got a point (and an eastern team got the bonus point so who cares there?). Team is still playing decent, 1 point off the division lead and tied for second. Regroup and prepare for Dallas. I bet Brodie has a huge game on Friday to redeem himself.

Yep. Tbh I just want to see the guy rebound.

I've been looking/hoping for a big Brodie rebound at several points this season. He's got to redeem those lackadaisical plays with a few solid 60s. Would gladly eat crow. Remind us what we have in you, TJ.

[Brouhaha]

Originally Posted by Redrum

Not trying to pile on Brodie more, I'm sure other people will have that covered in this thread, but why doesn't Dougie get a chance there? Last I checked he was pretty decent offensively. Maybe not quite as much this year but an obviously struggling Brodie with 2 shifts instead of Dougie?

I thought the same thing. I like Brodie as well. Mistakes like that will happen, but boy, in OT, it's as glaring a mistake as you will see from a defenseman in the defensive zone. Is there little to no faith in D. Hamilton from the coaching staff? Maybe he was getting a shift in OT had it lasted longer? For the amount of mistakes Brodie has been making and still gets plenty of ice time, D. Hamilton does not get near as many opportunities in those situations, PP time, etc. Maybe I need to actually take a look at some game stats to compare. Just stating what I see, or at least think I see.

[Bingo]

Flames Lose in Overtime?

- TJ Brodie cough up costs them in extra time
- Mike Smith steals a point for the Flames
- Jackets bottled up the Flames and nuked Gaudreau's steak

[Dion]

Originally Posted by zamler

Why should I be happy with 1 point when we could have made it two. Why should I ever be happy with losing.

If it wasn't for the play of Smith we would have got zero, nadda, zilch and nothing. Yes we could have stolen 2 points but why not be grateful for the way things played out? That's my point.

[CF84]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

I remember him pretty well on that side. He's playing worse now as him and Hamonic aren't clicking, but he was super prone to all the things he's doing this season. People just decided to ignore it cause he was pretty much a garauntre to give us one to two offensive highlight reel plays a night.

No, he wasn't as bad on that side defensively. Sure, he made a few mistakes, but so did Giordano. I watched every game of his last season on the right side and he was a solid defenseman. He makes more mistakes now and he is still good offensively.