[News] Head coach Bob Hartley fired; Associate coach Jacques Cloutier not returning

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by troutman

If the players pushed for this, I worry about the return of The Country Club.

Yes. I too worry about false dichotomies.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by getbak

Both Dreger and Kypreos are saying the Flames aren't in a rush to find a replacement.

I was under the impression that Treliving had already left for the World Championships, but perhaps this was one last thing he wanted to do before he left. Does anyone know if he was over there already or not?

I figured he was already over there since he wasn't at the lottery. Must have came back just for this

[Mister Yamoto]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Flames have moved into the part of the rebuild where expectations start to get higher.

Lets hope so. I'm worried I will be hearing "the Flames will be good in about two seasons" in perpetuity.

I like this. Playoffs to 26th overall isn't good enough. Now fix this Burke/Treliving. Their jobs should depend on team success too.

[Table 5]

Boudreau or not, the next coach picked is going to be quite important considering where we are in the cycle of this current group of players. This is a guy who will most likely be here during a good chunk of the best years of our young core, so you need to make sure he's a guy who can take them to the next level. I'm not 100% convinced with Boudreau's playoff record he's that guy, but perhaps his more relaxed attitude is what's needed.

[ricardodw]

A different coach is required to motivate a bunch of financially secure millionaires than is a bunch of borderline NHLers willing to put up with anything to stay in the show.

Hartley's good year he had and AHL team with Gaudreau. That was a great year.


From a February thread "How safe is Hartley's job"

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Hartley appears be better coaching players he can not threaten with financial ruin.

last year the Flames were loaded with players that were not financially secure for life.

Colborne, Bouma, Byron, Jooris, Diaz, Granlund, Backlund, Ferland, Schlemko and even Monahan and Gaudreau all would have to get some other jobs after hockey if Hartley messed with them ruined their careers. He was in a position to severely limit their future earnings,

In his first year (disaster in standings) and now again this year he has a team that is getting paid to the max of the cap

This year the scales have tipped. The Flames are a team with most of the players who are financially secure for life. The list of Flames that are not guaranteed at least 10M in career earnings is really short.

Guys on new huge (for them) contracts are:

Hamilton, Frolik, Gio, Backlund, Bouma are all on big new contracts that will give them more career hockey earnings than Hartley.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by domenichelly

The wrong man lost his job. Last season failure was most on GM and not coaches.

Despite not having a clear resolution to the goaltending position last year, Treliving has outperformed Bob on a fairly regular basis in their tenure here if we're looking at what the job descriptions are for each position.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Cloutier is right there in the title.

Must have been updated after I entered the thread

[FlamesAddiction]

I am disappointed. I thought he was doing the best with what he had.

I am not excited about the possibility of Boudreau either. He has a great coaching record, but most of it was with teams that were already pretty elite. I doubt our record this year would have been better with him.

[VladtheImpaler]

Is Darryl definitely staying in LA or is he potentially in play too?

[Benched]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Very surprised, but I really respect Treliving for the decision.

I think it's so stupid how the standard operating procedure is to start with the current coach, even though the plan is to replace them as soon as things go south.

If the coach isn't in your plans going forward, then make the move and bring in the guy you want.

Rarely happens though. So again, respect to Treliving.

Mixed emotions. Love the guy and the character he has brought to the team. At the same time, the defensive scheme and the special teams made me physically ill.

Will miss him but I am pleased with the change (assuming a good replacement).

Sums up my feels very accurately.


Best of luck going forward Bob! Thanks for 2014/15!

[ClubFlames]

Originally Posted by domenichelly

The wrong man lost his job. Last season failure was most on GM and not coaches.

I'm not sure if you're kidding or Hnat.

[TheScorpion]

NSFW!

[ricardodw]

What is the early line on the Flames having 3 D-men with over 40 pts next year?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by ClubFlames

I'm not sure if you're kidding or Hnat.

I agree with him. Treliving is the one that failed to improve the goaltending and that right there is the number one reason the team failed. Hartley managed to get quite a bit out of the rest of the team.

They must have someone in mind though and good on them for not leaving Hartley hanging on the vine. He at least has a chance to job hunt.

[FakenHaken]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Is Darryl definitely staying in LA or is he potentially in play too?

Was thinking the same thing. He hasn't still yet signed and I believe the contract ended once the Kings were eliminated from the playoffs. Seems obviously curious.... but could he come back to Calgary I would fall out of my chair if he did.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

David Gray (@Graydio1)
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Will Bruce Boudreau be named new #Flames head coach at 10am this morning? @EricFrancis thinks so. @CBCEyeopener

"Breaking" Eric Francis is an idiot.

[DuffMan]

This is dumb, are we going to go for the Edmonton rebuild model of cycling through capable coaches. Do not like.

[edslunch]

I doubt the move is specifically tied to Boudreau. Treliving has a process and the answer was the coach needs to be changed. Maybe the timing is influenced a bit but it's not like "we'll go with Bob unless someone better comes along."

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Wow, Wow, Wow. Regardless of if you wanted this or not, can anyone say they weren't completely caught off guard by this move today? Crazy! I certainly expected in a contract year that Hartley would have gotten the first 2 months of the season to seal his fate moving forward. I wouldn't have been shocked at that time if he wasn't the guy, but very surprised it happened in the off season, and very surprised when in the offseason it happened.

I wasn't sold on the Hartley hire when he was brought in, but you can put me in the camp of of folks (if they exist) that was pleasantly surprised with how well he did. I thought he did a good job with a young team and I enjoyed the style we saw on the ice for the most part. I will also say, that I wasn't still convinced he was the right coach to lead us to the cup when we become a contender, but who knows.

As for the reasons why, I thought the Fan guys and Duha had a decent conversation surfacing the potential reasons a few mins ago. Maybe bad exit interviews from players, maybe Superbowl situation showing he lost the room, Boudreau now available, not playing our fringe young players enough.......

One thing that I completely agreed with Duha on, is that the biggest issue with our season last year was goaltending, and he didn't really think you could blame Hartley for that. He didn't create the 3 headed goalie situation, and I don't buy that coaches impact goalie play that much, but who knows.

As for what to expect next, I find the timing to be the most telling. For almost all of the reasons possible to surface, even as simple as just not happy with performance, I think those decisions could have been made sooner after the season was done. I might be reading into it way too much, Treliving and the Flames would not take a decision like this lightly (which is good) so maybe it just takes time to evaluate. But part of me feels like sometimes what seems obvious is. To me, this looks like they weren't going to do this unless someone they prefer became available (and potentially showed strong interest in the team), and that a better option may have presented it's self. That would mean Boudreau I would guess. I'm not saying I'm for or against that, I'm just saying that's what it looks like to me.

One thing I will say is that it's rare, even with coaches or GMs that I like, that they get let go before I'm sitting around saying "well we need to change up the coach or the GM, etc...." This move certainly hits the pro-active button, in that the Flames IMO shouldn't have felt desperate to make a change, which is often good, making decisions when you aren't desperate.

[domenichelly]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Are you kidding me?
What would you have done better than Brad Treliving?

• No one coach could win without a starting goalie and roster we had.
• We had a lot of bad contracts and average players with low hockey skills
• Our team is not young as many can think

It is enogh to say tha GM job wan done bad? Treliving got really young team after Feaster with lowest salary in NHL and on that package team got playoffs. Before this year's deadline we had 5th salary cap in NHL and finished 12th. Is it for coaches? We had 1 full year to get starting goalie, 1st RW and 2nd scoring line. Whole year was spent for nothing by GM...