[News] Head coach Bob Hartley fired; Associate coach Jacques Cloutier not returning

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Hartley is the kind of coach that lots of players will always hate. Much like Darryl Sutter. They all tolerate such coaches when winning though.

However, a lot of players expressing this in the exit interviews might have pushed the Flames into this decision. Especially with so many key pieces coming up for contract renewal.

As far as Boudreau goes, there is no way the team would fire Hartley in the hopes of landing him. They would already have the commitment if Bruce was the reason for this move.

I wouldn't rule out Travis Green. A few teams have been sniffing around him.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Treliving has a connection to Jim Playfair.

You're too funny

[getbak]

Originally Posted by clancy

Tippet and Tree have a history

After they fired their GM, Tippett is taking on a larger player personnel role with the Coyotes (similar to Roy's role in Colorado). He's not likely to be moving on.

[the_only_turek_fan]

I wonder if Treliving and Boudreau have already spoken?

[MRCboicgy]

And the whole draft pick for a coach/GM that was fired is no longer a thing, right?

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by photon

Boudreau demonstrated an ability to be flexible and change when circumstances required in order to still be successful, that looks pretty good on a resume for a young team that's still in flux.

Boudreau also has experience in coaching teams that have an active/offensive d-group.

Mike Green has point per game seasons under him. Anaheim has had several guys with 30+ points for a few years now.

I really hope it's him.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

Boudreau always had words of praise as an opposing coach about Flames players, and he didn't have to. You might think it's an appealing roster to coach.

I stated as much in the Boudreau fired thread that the Flames would be more attractive than other openings like Minnesota (another win in the playoffs pressure cooker) and Ottawa (goofball owner that doesn't want to spend to the cap). Lots of solid young talent and an ownership group that is willing to spend on player salaries.

[MoreDrank]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Hartley is the kind of coach that lots of players will always hate. Much like Darryl Sutter. They all tolerate such coaches when winning though.

However, a lot of players expressing this in the exit interviews might have pushed the Flames into this decision. Especially with so many key pieces coming up for contract renewal.

As far as Boudreau goes, there is no way the team would fire Hartley in the hopes of landing him. They would already have the commitment if Bruce was the reason for this move.

After the Super Bowl Party debacle happened, Warrener said that players don't need to like the coach but have to respect/fear them. He continued to say that nobody would ever pull that with Sutter.

[clancy]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Hartley is the kind of coach that lots of players will always hate. Much like Darryl Sutter. They all tolerate such coaches when winning though.

However, a lot of players expressing this in the exit interviews might have pushed the Flames into this decision. Especially with so many key pieces coming up for contract renewal.

As far as Boudreau goes, there is no way the team would fire Hartley in the hopes of landing him. They would already have the commitment if Bruce was the reason for this move.

This is what I have heard. Take it for what it is worth.
Although some players may not like Daryl Sutter, it is for a different reason than why players don't like Bob. Bob is unrelenting, non-stop, always pushing buttons and sometimes sarcastic in his approach with players.That wears on people.
Daryl is quieter and not as relentless. Daryl though, is direct and blunt at times and some guys find the "truth" hard to handle.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by MRCboicgy

And the whole draft pick for a coach/GM that was fired is no longer a thing, right?

Correct.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Absolutely love it and I am a fan of what Hartley accomplished here and of the man himself.

But this shows a management group that is unwilling to compromise the level of excellence that it demands of the team. The entire organization was just put on notice. Expectations are high. Futility is unacceptable.

Outstanding.

[Flashpoint]

Originally Posted by t0rrent98

I don't care who Tree brings in, as long as he is able to finally beat the Ducks at home and end the streak I'd be happy with it.

At least we'll be getting a coach who knows how to win in Anaheim.

[djsFlames]

Boudreau? Maybe we can finally beat Anaheim. Buy do we want to aim for 1-0 games using the old trap? That was so awful to watch.

I really liked Bob. Its too bad. But this is probably for the best, given how our system wasn't well suited to the big western conference.

Best wishes to you Hart's. Thanks for last year. Won't forget that.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Just please don't start the effing season with three goalies again. I too hope it's Boudreau. If anyone can break the Honda center curse it's him.

[gunnner]

Thats tough. If Treleving handles the goalie situation better we probably make the playoffs. (waives Hiller on day 1.) But I also see the other side of the coin, structurally in our own zone we looked like a junior team. Hartley will end up in Ottawa and Erik Karlsson will proceed to put up a 140 points next year.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

You can put me in the minority camp that does not like this move at all. Guy is one year removed from a Jack Adams and the goalie cluster#### at the beginning of the year was the GM's fault more than his. Guys like Gio, Brodie, Monahan, Gaudreau, Backlund, Bouma all had career years under Bob. The 2014/2015 team doesn't get the the playoffs without Hartley at the helm. He earned one more year to see what he could accomplish with a competent goaltender and new PP structure. Boudreau is a good coach but has had no real big success with stacked Washington and Anaheim teams. I'd love to eat some crow next year but I don't see this as an upgrade, assuming he signs here.

Well I don't agree with this one bit. Bourdreau has won:

-Jack Adams
-2 Calder Cup appearances, including 1 win
-1 president trophy
-8 division titles (4 each with Caps and Ducks)

In fact, he has won quite a bit. The above doesn't even mention his ECHL/IHL championships and coach of the year awards. Fact is, he's one of the best coaches in the world and has the resumé to prove it.

I know most people like to view playoff success as the one and only thing that matters. But fact is, it's not all that matters. We are not the Blackhawks or Kings where we can make statements like that. Those 82 games during the regular season sure seem to matter to the thousands of fans in this city.

Flames aren't a playoff contender, let alone a cup contender. To get to the cup, we need a good run in the playoffs. To get to the playoffs, we need a good regular season.

Boudreau's regular season record: (681 games played) 409 W - 192 L - 80 OTL. 65.9% winning rate.

Quite clearly, he is an upgrade and seems to be the exact type of coach the Flames need. Burke said so himself, before we can sprint, we have to run. Before that, walk. Before that, crawl. I'd like to think we are close to the stage where we can start to run. Boudreau helps us accomplish that.

[Poe969]

I kept thinking that last year teams just couldn't figure the Flames out and the Flames won a lot of games because of it. This past year teams seemed to have figured out what the Flames were all about, Hartley couldn't or didn't adjust the teams play and they were bad because of it. I think the Flames need a coach who can adapt more and has more than just one style of play.

[topfiverecords]

Lame. Hasn't Hartley won more game 7s than Boudreau?

[the_only_turek_fan]

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[Stay Golden]

I hope they have a solid candidate in mind. Not fully in support of this move, enjoyed Hartley as a HC and what he did with the young players. Wasn't a big fan of Cloutier though. The 3 goalies in the first 20 games was a horrible idea. Not sure if that was Treliving or Hartley's doing but it put the Flames in a horrible spot early.
Hartley is a quality HC I think Bob gets picked up before the next season.