Local woman allows dog to defecate on grave

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by DOOM

I bet if it was a guy walking his dog lots of you wouldn't be white knighting in this thread.

Ya or if the chick was old and ugly same deal.

Not particularly sentimental about corpses but come on, letting your dog crap in a cemetery is ####ing ridiculous. You've gotta know that most people are going to be pissed.

I know every generation says this but it seems like people are increasingly stupid.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by doctajones428

What if it was a relatives grave?

"Nah it's ok, you can dump on great grannies grave whenever you want!"

Nobody is saying that it is "ok".

People are just debating what a reasonable response is (or should be) and the need to figuratively cast the first stones.

[flamesfan1297]

Originally Posted by doctajones428

I don't care that she cleaned it up. If a dog shat on my grave I'd be pretty pissed

i feel like you would never know if a dog shat on your grave

[Titan]

Man. I just saw that this went from 1 to 4 pages, at 60 per no less, and thought for sure we had a visit from "HotDog####CemetaryRichGirl" to defend her actions. I feel cheated.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by fotze

Are there any cases where something like this ruins someone's life? Maybe the rape thing on the east coast where that girl killed herself but that is a different animal.

Originally Posted by Dion

I highly doubt anyone's life would be ruined over that. At the most she might face some harsh remarks from friends or coworkers who thought she was being disrespectful. Others might say it was an over reaction and tell her to ignore the comments.

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Really? You really think someone's life could be ruined over this?

Maybe we have to clarify what "ruined" means.

To me "ruined life" means stuff like losing your job, being ostracized from your friends and family, getting a divorce, maybe even going into hiding or moving away... You know, actual terrible things happening.

The worst consequences of this s(h)ituation will probably be listening to her friends say stuff like "I saw you on twitter, letting Princess take a dump at the cemetery!Ha ha ha!"

This thread has made it clear that there are 2 obvious camps on very extreme sides of this. One side thinks this woman should be publicly shamed and ostracized, the other thinks no big deal. And this is entirely based on hearsay without any chance to get her side of the story. AT ALL. Just taking some random internet poster at face value with 3rd party info, based on what a friend said. She may very well have been flippant with the picture taker because he was a creep, or didn't want to stand there and debate him. If some stranger was photographing me in that manner, I certainly would be.

Let's say her boss, or manager at her job is on the "OMG this is total desecration of a grave and she is the most horrible person ever." side. And she is in fact fired over it. Then she loses her mortgage. Then she hangs herself. Then what? Will that make everyone happy? Because people have killed themselves over much more trivial things. A family member of mine certainly did two years ago. Something much more trivial.

There was no crime committed here. There was no victim. And the woman did not ask her dog to crap on that spot. There was no property damage. At worst a City bylaw was broken. If the dude never took the photograph, and she picked it up, it would be tantamount to the "If a tree falls in the forest." question. If anyone is at fault here, it is the dog who took action to squat on that spot. Had the woman been kneeling there facing the head stone, next to the dog, with tears in her eyes, and the dog sadly looking at her, this would be a chance for a beautifully sad photo, and nobody would give two craps about the bylaw being broken. Instagram sad face filters would be added, people would put clever dogisms under it, and it would be spammed and twatted all over Facebook with with comments like 'lyk dis if u cry errytym.'

There are scenarios where yes, I feel people being confronted publicly with legit questions is ok. Look at the Clint Hardman scenario. The dude was blatantly scamming, weaved a web of lies that was easily unravelled, nothing added up, there was mountains of evidence contradicting him, and he absolutely refused to address any of the questions regarding his military service. I am ok with that, as he put himself in the public eye by agreeing to the SUN interview, and nobody bought it. And he refused to address it.

At worst, with all the evidence that is currently available, the only thing this woman did wrong was walk her dog in a cemetery. That's it. The dog pooped, and she picked it up. If the dog pooped 10 feet to the left or right where there is no grave, there is nothing to shame this woman over.

And no, if some dog took a dump on my or a family members grave site, no I would not care one bit. I am dead, and cease to exist. Plus I am still insulated by a vault, a casket, and a good 6 feet of soil from the turd. Could this be construed as insensitive, sure. But is it worth shaming this woman on the likes of people that are scam artists and endangering lives on freeways. Not even close.

The outrage is entirely based on superstition and tradition. Lets sat she had a peters milkshake in her hand, and accidentally spilled that on the ground in that same spot, would it be the same outrage? Because the material that ended up on the ground is feces(which is in fact far better for the grass than milk shake) is what this is all about. That is what everyone is taking offence to.

But because the dog, went dog, and did it's business, there is all this outrage.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Expand on this thought please.

He is saying people are defending the girl in the hopes they will get laid by defending her.

[Pizza]

Originally Posted by pylon

This thread has made it clear that there are 2 camps on very extreme sides of this. One side thinks this woman should be publicly shamed and ostracized, the other thinks no big deal. And this is entirely based on hearsay without any chance to get her side of the story. AT ALL. Just taking some random internet poster at face value with 3rd party info, based on what a friend said. She may very well have been flippant with the picture taker because he was a creep, or didn't want to stand there and debate him. If some stranger was photographing me in that manner, I certainly would be.

what could be her side of the story?

at best, it could be a "sorry, i didnt know i could walk my dog here" . That still doesnt explain why she's letting the dog off leash and allowing her dog to take a dump on someone's grave

so what if the photographer is being a creep? I'm not sure if you noticed but there's a freakin dog taking a dump on someone's grave! How would you expect a complete stranger to react to this?

Let's say her boss, or manager at her job is on the "OMG this is total desecration of a grave and she is the most horrible person ever." side. And she is in fact fired over it. Then she loses her mortgage. Then she hangs herself. Then what? Will that make everyone happy? Because people have killed themselves over much more trivial things. A family member of mine certainly did two years ago. Something much more trivial.

If she doesnt want the public judging her, then i dont know, maybe dont do stupid things in public?
If the OP is telling the truth that she doesnt care, then what does she have to worry about? She doesnt care about the opinion of one or two or potentially a few more witnesses, but she'd suddenly care for a few hundred?

and what if her boss or manager was right around the corner at the cemetary witnessing this? would that be any different than finding out on the internet?

There was no crime committed here. There was no victim. And the woman did not ask her dog to crap on that spot. There was no property damage. At worst a City bylaw was broken. If the dude never took the photograph, and she picked it up, it would be tantamount to the "If a tree falls in the forest." question. If anyone is at fault here, it is the dog who took action to squat on that spot.

whether someone witnessed it or not, it still happened.
A dog doesnt know any better, which is why there's something called a leash. It's to maintain and prevent your dog from taking inappropriate actions. Let alone the argument that the dog is not even supposed to be there in the first place

At worst, with all the evidence that is currently available, the only thing this woman did wrong was walk her dog in a cemetery. That's it. The dog pooped, and she picked it up. If the dog pooped 10 feet to the left or right where there is no grave, there is nothing to shame this woman over.

And no, if some dog took a dump on my or a family members grave site, no I would not care one bit. I am dead, and cease to exist. Plus I am still insulated by a vault, a casket, and a good 6 feet of soil from the turd. Could this be construed as insensitive, sure. But is it worth shaming this woman on the likes of people that are scam artists and endangering lives on freeways. Not even close.

Did you happen to notice the tombstone infront of where the dog defecated? It was set up by loved ones in that particular spot because that particular spot means something to someone

just because you dont mind having something take a #### on you or your family, doesnt mean other people dont mind too

if it's not as bad as scaming or endangering lives but believe it or not, many people still find this disrepectful

But because the dog, went dog, and did it's business, there is all this outrage.

which could've been prevented if
1) the owner had a leash
2) the owner took the dog to an actual park
3) the owner repected that this was a cemetary, not a giant toilet

[Handsome B. Wonderful]

Has anyone stopped to consider that maybe Klatzel deserved this?

[pylon]

Originally Posted by Pizza

what could be her side of the story?

at best, it could be a "sorry, i didnt know i could walk my dog here" . That still doesnt explain why she's letting the dog off leash and allowing her dog to take a dump on someone's grave

so what if the photographer is being a creep? I'm not sure if you noticed but there's a freakin dog taking a dump on someone's grave! How would you expect a complete stranger to react to this?



If she doesnt want the public judging her, then i dont know, maybe dont do stupid things in public?
If the OP is telling the truth that she doesnt care, then what does she have to worry about? She doesnt care about the opinion of one or two or potentially a few more witnesses, but she'd suddenly care for a few hundred?

and what if her boss or manager was right around the corner at the cemetary witnessing this? would that be any different than finding out on the internet?




whether someone witnessed it or not, it still happened.
A dog doesnt know any better, which is why there's something called a leash. It's to maintain and prevent your dog from taking inappropriate actions. Let alone the argument that the dog is not even supposed to be there in the first place



Did you happen to notice the tombstone infront of where the dog defecated? It was set up by loved ones in that particular spot because that particular spot means something to someone

just because you dont mind having something take a #### on you or your family, doesnt mean other people dont mind too

if it's not as bad as scaming or endangering lives but believe it or not, many people still find this disrepectful

I am not disagreeing that what happened could offend someone. Everyone has the right to be offended. However, the reaction to this is incredibly over the top. As I said, had the photo been of her crying at the gravesite being comforted by the dog, people would think it is a beautiful heart warming picture. And nobody would care about the bylaw being broken. The dog pooped. And it is nearly impossible to predict when a dog will poop on a walk.

If everyone is outraged by what has happened here, because of a bylaw, seeing as that the Bylaw states no dogs are allowed in a cemetery (it says nothing about pooping) Then you should be equally outraged by this photo, because I know of no school that allows unleashed dogs in the gymnasium:



It is an incredibly reaching argument I know, but it is to point out how absurd the outrage is. We have no reason to believe that woman wasn't in that cemetery visiting a loved one, except for third party hearsay. If there was evidence she directed the dog to crap there, I would agree with the outrage. But there simply is none. In fact the semi formal dark clothes would lead me more to believe she in fact was paying respects. But people on the internet never lie or embellish right? OP's statement HAS to be true.

[Pizza]

I dont understand why people are against having this photo shared

It's not in her own home or a neighbour's where it can be debated on the privacy of this, but she did this in a very public area. She put herself at risk from public judgement from witnesses

I also dont see how sharing this on facebook or on CP is any different than stories you share at the water cooler

[pylon]

Originally Posted by Pizza

I dont understand why people are against having this photo shared

It's not in her own home or a neighbour's where it can be debated on the privacy of this, but she did this in a very public area. She put herself at risk from public judgement from witnesses

I also dont see how sharing this on facebook or on CP is any different than stories you share at the water cooler

So if you accidentally knock over a toddler in a crowded mall, we have your permission to post a still photo all over the internet, and make claims that you were drunk, and laughed at the kid, and told the person taking the photo that you didn't care, even though you may not have said that, even though there is no way to prove otherwise?

Because that scenario is far more damaging, and has a much more scarred victim even if it was accidental.

A still photo can be misinterpreted a million ways.

[sun]

That bitch should be banned from the cemetery.

And so should its owner.

[Pizza]

Originally Posted by pylon

I am not disagreeing that what happened could offend someone. Everyone has the right to be offended. However, the reaction to this is incredibly over the top. As I said, had the photo been of her crying at the gravesite being comforted by the dog, people would think it is a beautiful heart warming picture. And nobody would care about the bylaw being broken. The dog pooped. And it is nearly impossible to predict when a dog will poop on a walk.

If everyone is outraged by what has happened here, because of a bylaw, seeing as that the Bylaw states no dogs are allowed in a cemetery (it says nothing about pooping) Then you should be equally outraged by this photo, because I know of no school that allows unleashed dogs in the gymnasium:



It is an incredibly reaching argument I know, but it is to point out how absurd the outrage is. We have no reason to believe that woman wasn't in that cemetery visiting a loved one, except for third party hearsay. If there was evidence she directed the dog to crap there, I would agree with the outrage. But there simply is none.

Why wouldnt someone react as much as they would? some people are very sensitive to it. Some have dead relatives too and they would react violently to a dog owner if they ever witness a dog defecating on their mother`s grave.

Another unlikely story that she was mourning next to the grave. Because the dog was running wild in the cemetary, it's more likely that the dog just found a spot next to a tombstone and just felt like defecating there. Even if she was mourning at that grave, she still had a lack of respect for others by allowing her dog unleashed.

If you already know that it is nearly impossible to predict when a dog will poop on a walk, isnt that more justification why you should leash your dog?

That photo is a poor comparison because that was a private funeral, and that dog belonged to the deceased. the only way you can make a comparison with it is if someone attending the funeral brought their own dog, unleashed it and it took a dump next to the casket.

[Pizza]

Originally Posted by pylon

So if you accidentally knock over a toddler in a crowded mall, we have your permission to post a still photo all over the internet, and make claims that you were drunk, and laughed at the kid, and told the person taking the photo that you didn't care, even though you may not have said that, even though there is no way to prove otherwise?

Because that scenario is far more damaging, and has a much more scarred victim even if it was accidental.

A still photo can be misinterpreted a million ways.

without any kind of commentary to go with this photo, many things are quite obvious just from looking at it

1) the dog is taking a crap infront of a tombstone in what appears to be a cemetary
2) its her dog as she's holding a poop bag in her hands as she is approaching the dog
3) no leash on the dog
4) obvious reaction to the photographer

with that said, can you tell me otherwise that a natural conclusion that the photographer caught her cleaning up after her unleashed dog that pooped infront of a tombstone?

[Sr. Mints]

Originally Posted by jeep991

Unless the owner of that deer decided to bring the deer for a walk through the cemetery we are not talking about the same thing.

Fine, I guess it is. But poop is poop to me. Death is dead to me.

I wouldn't be offended if someone let their dog do its business on someone I know's grave. Heck, there's a bench in a high-traffic location in Calgary we had dedicated with dad's name on it, which is heavily trafficked by dog walkers. I'm certain it's been pissed on thousands of times. That doesn't affect how I feel about my dad--or how I perceive others feel about him--in the least.

If someone stood over the bench and said, "Sr. Sr. Mints was a ####" while commanding their dog to crap on it, that would probably be different. I really don't think that was the case with this lady.

Edit: But ultimately, my views might not jive with everyone, and I can both accept and respect that.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by pylon

Let's say her boss, or manager at her job is on the "OMG this is total desecration of a grave and she is the most horrible person ever." side. And she is in fact fired over it. Then she loses her mortgage. Then she hangs herself. Then what? Will that make everyone happy? Because people have killed themselves over much more trivial things. A family member of mine certainly did two years ago. Something much more trivial.

I was going to respond but with it being an issue that hits close to home with you, out of respect I will say nothing more.

There was no crime committed here. There was no victim. And the woman did not ask her dog to crap on that spot. There was no property damage. At worst a City bylaw was broken. If the dude never took the photograph, and she picked it up, it would be tantamount to the "If a tree falls in the forest." question. If anyone is at fault here, it is the dog who took action to squat on that spot. Had the woman been kneeling there facing the head stone, next to the dog, with tears in her eyes, and the dog sadly looking at her, this would be a chance for a beautifully sad photo, and nobody would give two craps about the bylaw being broken. Instagram sad face filters would be added, people would put clever dogisms under it, and it would be spammed and twatted all over Facebook with with comments like 'lyk dis if u cry errytym.

The issue for me is how best do we make people accountable for their actions. Bylaw officers are never to be seen so the chances of someone getting caught and fined is slim at best. She knew she was breaking a bylaw and had no problems doing it. Of course bylaw officers can't be everywhere and she no doubt knows this and is willing to risk walking her dog there.

The victim is the family whose family member was buried there.

The woman is responsible for the dogs actions and had to know a dog is going to do it's business wherever it wants. The dog crapped on a grave site and she goes to pick it up - yeah I know you're going to say it's no big deal, but the issue of it happening is disrespecful and how do we prevent this from happenning.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by pylon

A still photo can be misinterpreted a million ways.

There was text that went along with twit photo when the incident was tweeted.

[Bootsy]

The girl is being disrepectful, keep your dog leashed or don't take it through a cemetery, social media shaming is annoying to me as well, being passive-agressive.
How I miss the days of the daughter of the deceased smacking the girl in the side of the head for being an idiot and its done, no phone camera's and pictures spread worldwide, and no 11 page debate on a hockey message board.

[DuffMan]

Can someone find this woman and invite her here so she can defend herself?

[pylon]

Originally Posted by Dion

I was going to respond but with it being an issue that hits close to home with you, out of respect I will say nothing more.



The issue for me is how best do we make people accountable for their actions. Bylaw officers are never to be seen so the chances of someone getting caught and fined is slim at best. She knew she was breaking a bylaw and had no problems doing it. Of course bylaw officers can't be everywhere and she no doubt knows this and is willing to risk walking her dog there.

The victim is the family whose family member was buried there.

The woman is responsible for the dogs actions and had to know a dog is going to do it's business wherever it wants. The dog crapped on a grave site and she goes to pick it up - yeah I know you're going to say it's no big deal, but the issue of it happening is disrespecful and how do we prevent this from happenning.

You prevent it from happening by sending the photo to Calgary by-law, and allowing them to deal with it. You don't go out and publicly humiliate someone without all the facts. And every time any other creature craps on that grave be it a Bird, squirrel, worm, gopher, coyote (which roam inner city), cat... anything....the family better get in touch with their pastor, priest, rabbi...whatever, hold a candle light vigil, and demand instant, swift, humiliating revenge.

I think I am going to invent a grave site poo detector for such scenarios, and make millions.