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[calgARI]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

if he's going to continue to pout and not be a leader out there on what will be a younger group, then there's no use for him on this roster. We saw what pouty tanguay looks like post deadline, useless, giveaway machine, little to no compete.

if he isn't bought out, i hope the flames aren't scared to have him be a healthy scratch if he continues to pout.

No he's definitely being traded. I'm just saying that his contract and production have value on the trade market and he shouldn't be bought out.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

At last night's info session, Feaster made mention that right now there are no buyouts looming.

If the Flames were 99.5% certain they did not want Tanguay back would they say that they are going to trade him for a 7th round pick or if there were no takers buy him out?

If you are Vancouver do you want to give up a 7th round pick and pay Tanguay 10.5M for 3 years or would you wait for the Flames to buy him out and then offer him a 1 year contract for 1M as a UFA and offer him the opportunity to play 15 games on LW with the Sedins?

This is the same as TB not pre-announcing the Lecalvier buyout and the Rangers not announcing they will be buying out Richards or the Hawks saying Hossa will be bought out.

Right now there are no GMs that will say that they will be using the amnesty buyout and they won't announce it until they actually do it. However there will be buyouts.

[mikeecho]

Originally Posted by browna

Fully agreed. His flip flops was the gist of my question (or one of ones I had ready) if I was able to go tonight, but a last minute child sickness has me at home.

Feaster did everything to distance himself from Darryl in those first few months, saying whatever was wanting to be heard by a disgruntled fan base.

Fitting that the end of the road for Iginla was, as Feaster said, when Sutter and LA beat them back to back....and beat them on the scoreboard, but on the ice as each line was outweighed and out hit severely... Darryl's team vs Feaster's anti-Darryl team.

It's actually Dean Lombardi's team vs. Feaster's team.

Darryl is a great coach, but the reality is that the last roster he left as a GM would be in a hard fought battle with the current incarnation of the Flames for bragging rights as some of the worst Flames teams ever.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by mikeecho

It's actually Dean Lombardi's team vs. Feaster's team.

Darryl is a great coach, but the reality is that the last roster he left as a GM would be in a hard fought battle with the current incarnation of the Flames for bragging rights as some of the worst Flames teams ever.

You really think the current Flames team (ok the one that played the last game of the 2013 NHL season) is better then the one Darryl left behind?!

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by mikeecho

It's actually Dean Lombardi's team vs. Feaster's team.

Darryl is a great coach, but the reality is that the last roster he left as a GM would be in a hard fought battle with the current incarnation of the Flames for bragging rights as some of the worst Flames teams ever.

Yup. Lombardi built the Kings.

Sutters teams were good but they weren't the worst. His faults lied in the NTC's and poor trading.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

That was me haha.

I was very impressed with Feaster and King last night. Much more candid than last year, and they were willing to discuss quite a few things.

I'm nothing but excited for the draft right now. This will be as interesting an off-season as we're ever likely to see.

The trade to Columbus will likely be the best thing possible for Erixon.

Columbus is an example of a team getting rid of their long time under-performing over paid star (Nash) and having their 2nd best or possibly best season ever out of 12.

They were tied for the 8th playoff spot.

They look a lot like the no name roster from St.L. from 3 years ago.

Hopefully getting rid of Bouwmeester will do the same for the Flames as getting rid of Nash did for Columbus.

With Davidson in charge all of the sudden Columbus will not be the weak sister that they were accustomed to be.

The biggest mistake the Flames have made in the last 10 years is not immediately firing Feaster and maybe King when Davidson was available for a few weeks last summer.

[calgARI]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Yup. Lombardi built the Kings.

Sutters teams were good but they weren't the worst. His faults lied in the NTC's and poor trading.

I boil it even simpler than that. Sutter's faults lied in the one day of two idiotic trades that completely derailed the franchise. He won most other trades. He also got away from his original vision for the team and they become too easy to play against though nowhere near as easy to play against as they are now.

[Psytic]

Flames are keeping Tanguay. He can cry all he wants as long as he keeps putting up points thats good enough for me. You're not going to find many complete players off their elc's for under 4mill unless you want a drop off in point production so you just have to except some warts.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Psytic

Flames are keeping Tanguay. He can cry all he wants as long as he keeps putting up points thats good enough for me. You're not going to find many complete players off their elc's for under 4mill unless you want a drop off in point production so you just have to except some warts.

how many points did tanguay get after iginla was gone?

[Freeway]

For what it's worth, Cammalleri and Tanguay were the only "core" players on locker clean-out day waxing poetic about the futures in Calgary.

Stajan, Giordano, Glencross and Stempniak were all very much on-message.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Psytic

Flames are keeping Tanguay. He can cry all he wants as long as he keeps putting up points thats good enough for me. You're not going to find many complete players off their elc's for under 4mill unless you want a drop off in point production so you just have to except some warts.

Disagree and we will see soon. I feel that Tanguay is on the first boat off of Flames Island once the Finals end.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Disagree and we will see soon. I feel that Tanguay is on the first boat off of Flames Island once the Finals end.

I hope that's the case. Tanguay was floating before Iginla left and it seems like his attitude has gone downhill. I definitely would prefer our young guys look up to Stempniak and his attitude, effort level and two way play rather than Tanguay's.

I think Tanguay really needs to go this summer. Cammalleri should be dealt as well but I'm not sure teams will be able to take his cap hit until close to the deadline.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

I hope that's the case. Tanguay was floating before Iginla left and it seems like his attitude has gone downhill. I definitely would prefer our young guys look up to Stempniak and his attitude, effort level and two way play rather than Tanguay's.

I think Tanguay really needs to go this summer. Cammalleri should be dealt as well but I'm not sure teams will be able to take his cap hit until close to the deadline.

Cammy is an interesting situation as I can see his contract being traded for (not saying the player directly) a lecavalier type contract (/gasp!).

[Alberta_Beef]

I wonder if something around Tanguay & Heatley could be worked out. Heatley IMO is the much better player but the Wild could use the $4 million in cap relief.

[calgARI]

Or they'll trade Cammalleri and eat a good portion of his contract. They have plenty of cap space to keep some contract in order to make someone like that more appealing.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

I hope that's the case. Tanguay was floating before Iginla left and it seems like his attitude has gone downhill. I definitely would prefer our young guys look up to Stempniak and his attitude, effort level and two way play rather than Tanguay's.

I think Tanguay really needs to go this summer. Cammalleri should be dealt as well but I'm not sure teams will be able to take his cap hit until close to the deadline.

If they can get a decent deal or if he does not want to be here sure i'd move him. I wouldn't let him go for a bag of pucks or buy him out though like the rest of you. I think he still has value and there is no way I would let him go for nothing, I would rather keep him. I would deal him for picks however.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

I wonder if something around Tanguay & Heatley could be worked out. Heatley IMO is the much better player but the Wild could use the $4 million in cap relief.

Floater for Floater! I'd do it though.

[Roof-Daddy]

1. Trade Cammy to a bubble team with lots of cap space for their 2014 1st round pick.
2. Have said bubble team go "south" instead of "north", so to speak..
3. Pick twice in top 5 next season
4. Profit??

[browna]

Again, what has Tanguay done away from Calgary, since leaving Calgary in a huff the first time? Went to MTL, and after a year, MTL didn't have any interest in a French canadian player. He signs at the last minute in Tampa, and basically does nothing there, even with minutes with St Louis and Lecavalier.

He knew when coming back the second time, that it was Iginla buttering his bread, and that's played itself out. He's a good player skill wise, and am sure matured since his first go round here, but that and a $5 bill will buy another GM a cup of coffee.

Without Iginla on the roster, I can't see him staying here, and I expect that most other teams see his Iginla vs Non Iginla stats and overall play, and see that same correlation; thus I see the trade market ultra soft for him, outside of the team that gets Iginla July 5th. If the buyout period for this year has to happen before then, no matter what Feaster says, I see this as still a tangible option for the Flames then having him for 3 years.

Of course, if stuck with him, see how he goes when the season starts and trade him at the deadline or buyout next summer is a possiblity, but for a lot of things to do with th Flames, the sooner they move on in totality, and move onto the next era, the better, and can you really see Tnaguay here another 3 seasons? I can't.

[sureLoss]

Would anyone trade Cammalleri to the Sharks for Havlat plus picks (maybe 2 x2nd rounders)?