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				What is your expertise again?  Some histrionic poster on a hockey web site or a power skating instructor who really knows what it takes to be a good skater.  Been through the power skating routine and I can say his skating ain't that bad.  Needs improvement, but not as bad as you make it out.  Since you are the expert, what is wrong with his skating?  What needs to be fixed? 
			
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Why the personal attack, New Era? 
 
Though I do agree with you on Hanowski. He has an awkward stride, though as scouts point out he does 'get where he needs to be'. He'll be working on his skating with some of the best trainers in the world now that he's on a pro contract. Silly to write him off completely.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			05-24-2013, 03:07 AM
			
			
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			Watching Hanowski, it seemed apparent to me that he is a very smart hockey player. If that's the case I wouldn't write him off just yet. A lot of weaker skaters carved out nice careers because they were able to stay a step or two ahead of the game by using their brains. 
 
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			05-24-2013, 03:32 AM
			
			
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				Why the personal attack, New Era?  
 
Though I do agree with you on Hanowski. He has an awkward stride, though as scouts point out he does 'get where he needs to be'. He'll be working on his skating with some of the best trainers in the world now that he's on a pro contract. Silly to write him off completely. 
			
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I think it was a legit statement & question from New Era. Check EE's post. " I shake my head at people who can't see this and that." Maybe EE is an expert in this area and he was just asking what his expertise was.    (Though I'm 100% sure he isn't an expert in this area)
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			05-24-2013, 03:54 AM
			
			
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				I think it was a legit statement & question from New Era. Check EE's post. " I shake my head at people who can't see this and that." Maybe EE is an expert in this area and he was just asking what his expertise was.    (Though I'm 100% sure he isn't an expert in this area)  
			
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Just found the tone of the post to be a bit vitriolic. No reason why we can't all play nice & save the venom for Oilers trolls!
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			05-24-2013, 05:13 AM
			
			
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			05-24-2013, 10:55 PM
			
			
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			So long as it's in the eastern conference and nowhere near our division, i'm fine with it.  
 
Although I wouldn't mind him moving west towards the end of his career so that we can destroy whichever team he lands on when we've built up our future contender.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			05-25-2013, 06:15 AM
			
			
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			Iginla had a team-lowest 10 minutes of icetime last night... How much salary is he really worth on a team that is already that stacked??
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			05-25-2013, 11:05 AM
			
			
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				Iginla had a team-lowest 10 minutes of icetime last night... How much salary is he really worth on a team that is already that stacked?? 
			
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He had equipment problems and did not play much of the 1st period.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			05-25-2013, 11:47 AM
			
			
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			Here is my thoughts on what is available to him. 
Pittsburgh: The Penguins can manage it if they let Morrow and Murray walk and trade MAF. 
Pascal Dupuis will need a raise but will come cheaper than Iggy. Tyler Kennedy is a RFA as well. I have no doubt if the Pens win the SC this year he will not be back there. If they don't and he will take a discount he could be back for 1 more year. I don't see anyone banging down the Penguin's door for MAF at that salary and the amount of goalies available this off season. My bet is he is gone. 
 
LA: The team has only 14 players signed for next year and only $14M in cap space and a few RFA's that will need a raise, like Voynov. I don't see any way LA can sign him. 
 
Boston: 17 players signed for next year with around $6.7M in cap space. Even letting Horton and Ference both walk they would still be in tight to sign Jarome. 
 
Vancouver: 17 players signed for next year and they are already over the cap. If they used buyouts on Luongo and Ballard they could do it but Gillis thinks Luongo is worth a fortune so don't bet on him moving. 
 
I don't know where he ends up. Probably the Rangers buy out Richards and sign Iggy, that is my bet.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			05-25-2013, 12:08 PM
			
			
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Iginla is 5th in playoff points, he's probably worth a decent amount to any team.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			05-25-2013, 05:35 PM
			
			
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				Iginla is 5th in playoff points, he's probably worth a decent amount to any team. 
			
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 A pretty quiet  12 points. He seems to be in position for tap ins and slapshots and makes decent passes but he isn't driving the play. He's a veteran presence  who's relying on his smarts. How valuable that is, I don't know.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			05-25-2013, 05:41 PM
			
			
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				A pretty quiet  12 points. He seems to be in position for tap ins and slapshots and makes decent passes but he isn't driving the play. He's a veteran presence  who's relying on his smarts. How valuable that is, I don't know. 
			
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I don't understand what else you're expecting...he's not Crosby or Malkin, he doesn't have to drive the play.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			05-25-2013, 05:51 PM
			
			
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				A pretty quiet  12 points. He seems to be in position for tap ins and slapshots and makes decent passes but he isn't driving the play. He's a veteran presence  who's relying on his smarts. How valuable that is, I don't know. 
			
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This is a brutal post...he's playing well... His points have been a big help to the Pens this far...call them what you want.
 
Personally, I find it annoying when people make lame excuses to disregard he proof of results...
 
"His stats are over-inflated because he gets so much ice time on a brutal team"
 
"His stats are lower than they would be because he has no one to play with on such a crappy team"
 
"It's because he doesn't go up against top competition" ... "It's because he always up against the other teams top line"
 
Whatever.
 
In this case, Iginla is contributing probably right where the Pens were hoping he would... Great example of a success deadline rental.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			05-25-2013, 06:04 PM
			
			
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				This is a brutal post...he's playing well... His points have been a big help to the Pens this far...call them what you want. 
 
Personally, I find it annoying when people make lame excuses to disregard he proof of results... 
 
"His stats are over-inflated because he gets so much ice time on a brutal team" 
 
"His stats are lower than they would be because he has no one to play with on such a crappy team" 
 
"It's because he doesn't go up against top competition" ... "It's because he always up against the other teams top line" 
 
Whatever. 
 
In this case, Iginla is contributing probably right where the Pens were hoping he would... Great example of a success deadline rental. 
			
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Fantastic post. If someone has a point they want made, they will find any way possible to make it.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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				This is a brutal post...he's playing well... His points have been a big help to the Pens this far...call them what you want. 
 
Personally, I find it annoying when people make lame excuses to disregard he proof of results... 
 
"His stats are over-inflated because he gets so much ice time on a brutal team" 
 
"His stats are lower than they would be because he has no one to play with on such a crappy team" 
 
"It's because he doesn't go up against top competition" ... "It's because he always up against the other teams top line" 
 
Whatever. 
 
In this case, Iginla is contributing probably right where the Pens were hoping he would... Great example of a success deadline rental. 
			
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Talkiing about a brutal post, now you're putting words in my mouth. I've never criticized  Iginla by making excuses for his production. He seems to be fitting in with Pittsburgh but for a star player, he isn't playing like a star. Stats aren't the end all and be all of deciding a player's worth.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			05-25-2013, 06:17 PM
			
			
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				Talkiing about a brutal post, now you're putting words in my mouth. I've never criticized  Iginla by making excuses for his production. He seems to be fitting in with Pittsburgh but for a star player, he isn't playing like a star. Stats aren't the end all and be all of deciding a player's worth. 
			
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My dislike of your post merged into a generic dislike of those types of statements I listed...they are commonly used in here, but not necessary by you.
 
PS Considering what the Penguins gave up for Iggy, I disagree with the 'Star Rental' label... He cost less than Paul Gaustad did. Anyway, I stand be my assessment that Iginla is likely living up to the expectation put on him by Shero when he traded for him.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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				Talkiing about a brutal post, now you're putting words in my mouth. I've never criticized Iginla by making excuses for his production. He seems to be fitting in with Pittsburgh but for a star player, he isn't playing like a star. Stats aren't the end all and be all of deciding a player's worth. 
			
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He's playing like a 35 year old star who was brought in to support some of the best players in the league, and is putting up solid numbers, good for 5th best in the league. I'd say it's exactly what they were expecting. They weren't expecting 2004 Jarome to come in and put a team on his back and drive the play, it seems you were?
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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				He's playing like a 35 year old star who was brought in to support some of the best players in the league, and is putting up solid numbers, good for 5th best in the league. I'd say it's exactly what they were expecting. They weren't expecting 2004 Jarome to come in and put a team on his back and drive the play, it seems you were? 
			
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I wasn't expecting anything, just curious how he'd fit in. To me he's looked average.  I look at how many puck battles  he wins, how many loose pucks he's first to, how many body checks he throws, how many plays he initiates. These factors will determine part of how much he's worth and where he will play, since that's the point of this thread, not what the Penguins were expecting from Iginla.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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