Poll: "Do you believe in the current mgmt group"

[moon]

Originally Posted by nik-

For a quick status

Feaster: 66% opposed
King: 69% opposed

That's pretty high for a forum that's been historically pretty trusting/balanced

I am shocked that King is higher than Feaster considering he actually has done a lot of things that are positive and looks to be able to fill a vital need for the team (new arena) going forward.

I know a lot of people don't understand what King's role is and blame for him for a ton of stuff that he shouldn't be blamed for but Feaster has been much, much worse in his position with 0 indications of being a positive person for the team going forward.

[MolsonInBothHands]

Originally Posted by moon

No I don't think that and never said or indicated that I did.

What I do think is that GM"s don't come out and repeatedly lie 100% to the media/fans for no reason and make statements that end up making them look like idiots for no reason.



Not sure what else to call the accusations of ownership meddling when there is 0 eveidence and everyone is coming out saying that it is not true. It also makes little to no sense that Feaster would submarine his career after leaving his last job in TB due to ownership meddling.

Neither comment does anything to address the fact that Feaster with makes bad decisions or is so weak that he lets others with no hockey background make decisions. Either way nothing to do with press conferences and both terrible qualities to have in a GM going forward.

Another one who likes to pick and choose. Little to no evidence that there is ownership meddling? The only people saying it isnt true are the same guys you want to lynch as weak minded liars.

[trublmaker]

Originally Posted by moon

I am shocked that King is higher than Feaster considering he actually has done a lot of things that are positive and looks to be able to fill a vital need for the team (new arena) going forward.

I know a lot of people don't understand what King's role is and blame for him for a ton of stuff that he shouldn't be blamed for but Feaster has been much, much worse in his position with 0 indications of being a positive person for the team going forward.

I think it shows most people here voting don't really know what they're voting for or against

[BigFlameDog]

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[Enoch Root]

I am going to a Flames lunch today with KK. Anyone else going? Any specific questions you want to ask?

[moon]

Originally Posted by MolsonInBothHands

Many were sure he would trade away prospects or picks to win this year. He didnt? Will you give him credit for that? Many wanted Iginla gone to turn the page. The timing for that to happen was very much out of his control,but it has finally happened, and many are happy with what they see happening with the youth as a result. Credit? I dont see glaring mistakes in draftng, I have optimism there,but we shall see. Boumeester was a buyout candidate last year, he got a first for him. Credit? It was the coaching change that did that I suppose?

You talk about hyperbole and then mention Bouwmeester as a buyout candidate? That was only considered by moronic posters here who blamed him for everything when it was the crap team Feaster put around him that was the issue.

Finally after two years of screwing around he didn't trade away picks to win. What a genius.

Why was timing out of his hands for trading Iginla? Mainly because he himself said he didn't want to. If he started rebuild when it should have been started very likely Iginla would have been fine with being moved.

The GM should also have better than "no glaring mistakes" in drafting being one of his positive points. Especially because we haven't seen any glaring strengths in drafting either.

When the strongest support it seems that you can come up with for him is maybe ownership forced him to do things and he hasn't had any big screw-ups (even though he certainly has) that seems like a pretty weak GM and a guy that should be canned asap.

[moon]

Originally Posted by MolsonInBothHands

Another one who likes to pick and choose. Little to no evidence that there is ownership meddling? The only people saying it isnt true are the same guys you want to lynch as weak minded liars.

Okay what evidence is there?

I want Feaster fired because he is a terrible GM and seems to have little to no hockey sense.

I don't believe that ownership interferred so don't think he is a liar at all when it comes to that.

[moon]

Originally Posted by BigFlameDog

You are arguing with moon AND Erick.....why don't you just go slam your crotch on the monkey bars lol.

I appreciate your spirit.....

Always easier to attack the posters then actually address the issues I guess.

[MolsonInBothHands]

Aaahhh yes. I forgot Bouwmeeester was one that moon relentlessly defends. Pick and choose indeed.

[moon]

Originally Posted by molsoninbothhands

aaahhh yes. I forgot bouwmeeester was one that moon relentlessly defends. Pick and choose indeed.

lol

[MolsonInBothHands]

Originally Posted by moon

Okay what evidence is there?

I want Feaster fired because he is a terrible GM and seems to have little to no hockey sense.

I don't believe that ownership interferred so don't think he is a liar at all when it comes to that.

The Keenan firing off the top of my head. Glencross and King. The pandering to Iginla.
To say with certainty it didnt happen would be a mistake. Again.

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally Posted by MolsonInBothHands

Here is my assumption... Feaster said he wasn't the man for a rebuild because ownership and Iggy would not let that play out. That doesnt mean behind closed doors he didnt argue for it. As a husband and father I will present a united front to the kids on something my wife argues with the kids, but behind closed doors I may state how we could have handled that differently. Feaster is married to Edwards. LOL.

Well said, though i dont thinks its disagreement necessarily about anything except maybe timing. I think people put way too much stock in specific words in the media, and on individual deals. Like a day trader looking at every swing in a stock, they lose sense of the overall trend.

It has not been hard to see where feaster is headed. The rebuild started 2 years ago when Feaster got handed the keys.
Step 1 - create an actual organization, that might pull it off (weisbrod, scouts, stats guys, more opinions at the table)
Step 2 - start building prospect depth & development (better drafting plus college guys, cast offs, free agents...none home runs but not supposed to be)
Step 3 - when the time is right, flip the switch and start rebuilding/retooling whatever you want to call it in the big club. Then and only then start talking about it publicly.

Fans can argue how fast or slow that all happened, and I think that's fair. Directionally though I don't have an issue. It feels like the team got here on purpose and looks as prepared to deal with it as anyone is likely to be. Will they get it right? No idea. But that's always the case, so we'll just have to see.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by moon

You talk about hyperbole and then mention Bouwmeester as a buyout candidate? That was only considered by moronic posters here who blamed him for everything when it was the crap team Feaster put around him that was the issue.

That crap team was essentially assembled by Darryl Sutter and was well on the decline before Feaster took over. You can't expect 100% turnover in one season, especially when the owners were showing an unwillingness to turnover the core pieces. We didn't exactly have a great stable of prospects ready to step in, nor was there a line-up of free agents wanting to sign.

I think any rational fan knew that even in Darryl Sutter's last season as GM, things would get would get worse before they got better. That was the position Feaster inherited.

[moon]

Originally Posted by MolsonInBothHands

The Keenan firing off the top of my head. Glencross and King. The pandering to Iginla.
To say with certainty it didnt happen would be a mistake. Again.

That is evidence of nothing. Feaster said he was onboard with the Iginla "pandering."

King meeting at the end of Feasters negotiations with Glencross proves zero unless Feaster didn't want Glencross re-signed.

And there is nothing from Keenan firing that suggests meddling at all.

I never said it didn't happen with certainty I am saying there is 0 evidence and certainly not anything to indicate that we should keep Feaster on when he himself said it didn't happen.

[moon]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

That crap team was essentially assembled by Darryl Sutter and was well on the decline before Feaster took over. You can't expect 100% turnover in one season, especially when the owners were showing an unwillingness to turnover the core pieces. We didn't exactly have a great stable of prospects ready to step in, nor was there a line-up of free agents wanting to sign.

I think any rational fan knew that even in Darryl Sutter's last season as GM, things would get would get worse before they got better. That was the position Feaster inherited.

Sure but Feaster has made that worse since taking over.

I also think the "problems" and lack of talent left by Sutter is vastly overrated.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois

It has not been hard to see where feaster is headed. The rebuild started 2 years ago when Feaster got handed the keys.
Step 1 - create an actual organization, that might pull it off (weisbrod, scouts, stats guys, more opinions at the table)
Step 2 - start building prospect depth & development (better drafting plus college guys, cast offs, free agents...none home runs but not supposed to be)
Step 3 - when the time is right, flip the switch and start rebuilding/retooling whatever you want to call it in the big club. Then and only then start talking about it publicly.

Fans can argue how fast or slow that all happened, and I think that's fair. Directionally though I don't have an issue. It feels like the team got here on purpose and looks as prepared to deal with it as anyone is likely to be. Will they get it right? No idea. But that's always the case, so we'll just have to see.

The problem is there is zero evidence that any of those steps have worked or improved the club long term or short term and a lot of evidence that the team is in much worse position.

[calumniate]

Originally Posted by moon

The problem is there is zero evidence that any of those steps have worked or improved the club long term or short term and a lot of evidence that the team is in much worse position.

Ha! There's zero evidence that the cupboards aren't bare and all kinds of evidence that they are bare? Awesome blanket statement and use of evidence.

[moon]

Originally Posted by calumniate

Ha! There's zero evidence that the cupboards aren't bare and all kinds of evidence that they are bare? Awesome blanket statement and use of evidence.

Not really what I said but I guess that doesn't matter.

There is no evidence that the new guys, systems, stats etc. (Step 1) have been an improvement. But based on the team becoming worse and finishing 6th last some evidence that what is going on isn't working so far.

There is no evidence that there is better drafting or prospect developing but based on the few number of contributing youngsters for the majority of the season some evidence that this has remained at best the same. Also since the big contributor was a Sutter pick again not great evidence that there is better drafting. The college FA's and cast-offs seemed to be a dud so far as well.

Step 3 hard to say either way.

So i guess your snarky, nothing comment is relevant and not just a cheap shot because you have a history of whining about a certain poster.

[MolsonInBothHands]

Originally Posted by moon

Sure but Feaster has made that worse since taking over.

I also think the "problems" and lack of talent left by Sutter is vastly overrated.

So, you dont think that things sometimes have to get worse before they get better? There are still a lot of tough decisions ahead, you are in for a rough ride. We just pushed the plunger on a suicide bomb, are you looking for your virgins?

[moon]

Originally Posted by MolsonInBothHands

So, you dont think that things sometimes have to get worse before they get better? There are still a lot of tough decisions ahead, you are in for a rough ride. We just pushed the plunger on a suicide bomb, are you looking for your virgins?

I certainly think they do and have been saying that for a long time.

I think that Feaster has made things worse than they should have be and if kept around based on his track record things will be bad for quite a long time.