Man sexually assaulted by four women

[frinkprof]

Disregard.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Maybe but I doubt I'm wrong.

The fact that numerous people, who I assume are men, have disagreed with your position tells me that you are in fact wrong.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

On the whole the threat of violence that 4 dudes presents makes it a whole different ballgame. But assuming 4 drunk gay guys come up behind a guy and pinch his arse and call him cute on the street where he is obviously at no risk and it is obviously just a bit of drunken foolery then no I don't think it is traumatic unless you are a total homophobe, and even then I don't think should be seen as sexual assault although legally it is.

So if 4 guys do that do a girl on the street it's all good?

[jammies]

I agree that laws have to be the same for both men and women, but I also agree that in general, men are going to have a higher threshold for what is and isn't sexual conduct that goes past the pale and needs to have those laws invoked. Men are, on average, larger, stronger, and more aggressive. Guys get into many more physical confrontations, including fights, and for many men, some woman getting a handful of trouser would barely register.

It is neither insensitive nor incorrect to assert this. It also doesn't mean that some guy who DOES feel such an assault is serious should not get the full benefit of the law and sympathy from others.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by jammies

I agree that laws have to be the same for both men and women, but I also agree that in general, men are going to have a higher threshold for what is and isn't sexual conduct that goes past the pale and needs to have those laws invoked. Men are, on average, larger, stronger, and more aggressive. Guys get into many more physical confrontations, including fights, and for many men, some woman getting a handful of trouser would barely register.

It is neither insensitive nor incorrect to assert this. It also doesn't mean that some guy who DOES feel such an assault is serious should not get the full benefit of the law and sympathy from others.

I think that's the part people are taking issue with, sure some guys would find getting groped by a few girls to be hilarious, but that doesn't mean that everyone should feel like that.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by valo403

So if 4 guys do that do a girl on the street it's all good?

I wouldn't even bother going down this road with him because he is clearly projecting his own opinion onto the whole of the male population. He clearly places his threshold for sexual assault at a certain point and his hubris doesn't allow for someone else having a different threshold.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by valo403

I think that's the part people are taking issue with, sure some guys would find getting groped by a few girls to be hilarious, but that doesn't mean that everyone should feel like that.

Yes, I agree. I personally wouldn't care, but personal feelings should not be the determining factor in the law.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by jammies

I agree that laws have to be the same for both men and women, but I also agree that in general, men are going to have a higher threshold for what is and isn't sexual conduct that goes past the pale and needs to have those laws invoked. Men are, on average, larger, stronger, and more aggressive. Guys get into many more physical confrontations, including fights, and for many men, some woman getting a handful of trouser would barely register...

But I think it is also important to note that these culturally impressed norms are shifting dramatically. As women become more empowered in our society, they are also becoming MUCH more assertive and aggressive. Men are still characteristically stronger and more confrontational than women on average, but I believe that the margin of difference is becoming exceptionally slimmer with the passage of time.

Men and women are becoming socially, psychologically, and even physiologically in many respects more equal. As these trends continue, so should our attitudes and legislation to gender differences in dealing with assault.

[Daradon]

Not sure about this.

Text is so good at talking and thinking rationally, I'm not sure he knows about holding a girl down and giving it to her...

My dear, would you like to engage in the intercourse? We may both achieve high levels of endorphins as a result.

[Textcritic]

^
That was funny.

Originally Posted by Daradon

Not sure about this...

About what specifically? Are you sceptical about the progressive "equalisation" of the sexes?

[jammies]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

But I think it is also important to note that these culturally impressed norms are shifting dramatically. As women become more empowered in our society, they are also becoming MUCH more assertive and aggressive. Men are still characteristically stronger and more confrontational than women on average, but I believe that the margin of difference is becoming exceptionally slimmer with the passage of time.

Women are becoming more assertive, but I don't think that equates with aggressive. And men will always be bigger and stronger, barring genetic engineering. There comes a point beyond which socialization cannot overcome inherent differences in physiology.

We live in what is arguably the most egalitarian and lawful society the world has ever produced. And yet men are still vastly disproportionately represented in dangerous and physically demanding vocations, and still commit the vast majority of assaults and other violent crimes. I doubt this will ever change, nor is it relevant the ideal that every man and woman should have the same rights and privileges, and should be equal before the law and secure in their persons.

[Coys1882]

Originally Posted by valo403

The fact that numerous people, who I assume are men, have disagreed with your position tells me that you are in fact wrong.

I wasn't aware that's how it worked. What happens if AFC is the only guy willing to argue with four of you and the rest can't be assed? Do you cease to be right because you're now outnumbered? What if a room full of pedarasts told you child molestation was ok because you we're outnumbered would that make them right?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Coys1882

I wasn't aware that's how it worked. What happens if AFC is the only guy willing to argue with four of you and the rest can't be assed? Do you cease to be right because you're now outnumbered? What if a room full of pedarasts told you child molestation was ok because you we're outnumbered would that make them right?

How is that remotely comparable? AFC is telling other men how he thinks they should feel based on his own projections and experiences and other men are disagreeing with him. Nobody is telling him he's wrong for feeling how he's feeling. They're telling him he's wrong because he's making assumptions how other people should feel.