Feasters chance of staying on ....

[Dagger]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Its worth pointing out Regehr had to be dealt within a short time frame window so the Flames could make the offer to Brad Richards / Ryan Smyth...

That may be so, but it makes no sense that we got their 13th forward and a bottom 2 puckmover for the best player and pick... zero sense. You can't get a worse deal than that.

[Badgers Nose]

Berra is/was a backup in the Swiss B division who is known for not being able to win the big game. Sounds promising.

"second best goalie outside the NHL'

So that means there are about 60 goalies better than him. LOL

The fact that in the middle of trade season Feaster would prioritize signing him tells me everything I need to know about the Flames.

Brutal

[MrMastodonFarm]

Did you really just make the same three posts in three separate threads?

Nothing annoying about that.

[2macinnis2]

Posted again because other thread locked:

I'm not going to argue in favor of Feaster on all of his trades, and I don't blame CP from being sensitive on the topic when we've been disappointed on returns on Phaneuf/Regehr before, but I do want to address those two recent deals in particular, and these old posts (at least of mine) I think do a lot to defend Feaster.

First off: a huge distinction to be made in the recent deals is that they were open bidding wars (unlike the Phaneuf trade, for instance). In these circumstances, any GM who argues the Flames did poorly on their return simply needed to offer more to get a deal done. Now, the NTC and NMCs play a role here, and for that you also do need to give Feaster some benefit-of-doubt on return.

More importantly, I want to go in more detail on the quality of the players dealt here. I really do appreciate what Iginla did in his 16 years here, but really most importantly what he did in 2004. His play in that playoff was probably the most dominant we'll ever see a Flames player in that critical of a situation in the playoff setting. But, as I've said over and over again, for the past at least 5 years, Iginla hasn't been much more than a sniper. Ever since he lost the weight after the lockout (preparing for the faster new NHL), his quality of overall play suffered dramatically. Jarome has been on a steady decline for a long time now. Now, he's still a pretty decent sniper, who may even get hot in the playoffs and score a couple important goals, but remember that is something even Camalleri was capable of recently. I still liken him to Brett Hull at age ~32+. A truly one-dimensional, one-way player... but in Jarome's case a much more likeable guy. In the end, since 2004, Iginla did very little to really lead the Flames. He's a smart guy: he figured out that he'd last a lot longer (and be much healthier) playing a clean speed game rather than a dirty power game. For the Flames, this was a shame, for his usefulness and value as a player was never close to the same. Iginla should have been the next Mark Messier... but don't fool yourself... Iginla, after 2004, was never even close.

Perhaps if the Flames dealt him 2-3 years ago the return would have been much greater, but look at even now how demoralizing the trade of the franchise's face can be. That team was more competitive, and even though I don't think Iginla has been all that good for a long time, I don't fault the Flames for holding on to him a little too long. Only one team wins the championship every year, that cannot be the only measuring stick, so there's a lot to say for sentimental value of sports heroes, etc, and what they mean to cities and franchises.

Bouwmeester, anyone who has watched closely knows isn't a very good hockey player. I was listening to NHL radio this AM on my drive to work and they were actually very surprised such a disappointing player could return a 1st round pick. They were equally puzzled by the Blues willingness to take on his contract... one even suggested they could flip him this summer if he fizzles the rest of the year. Again, this was a relatively open bidding war. If another team wanted to pony up more than St Louis, being ignorant he was on the block certainly wouldn't be an excuse.

Overall, I am happy to have multiple 1sts in a good draft. It's obviously a big time of transition, but we've seen young and hungry teams do well without being loaded with talent in recent years. I think this team in the long haul is better for being without the post-lockout Iginla as their leader. I'm not sold on Feaster, I just think the smaller returns on his sales reflect more the market's understanding of his merchandise value than him not being a better salesman.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by 2macinnis2

Posted again because other thread locked:

I'm not going to argue in favor of Feaster on all of his trades, and I don't blame CP from being sensitive on the topic when we've been disappointed on returns on Phaneuf/Regehr before, but I do want to address those two recent deals in particular, and these old posts (at least of mine) I think do a lot to defend Feaster.

First off: a huge distinction to be made in the recent deals is that they were open bidding wars (unlike the Phaneuf trade, for instance). In these circumstances, any GM who argues the Flames did poorly on their return simply needed to offer more to get a deal done. Now, the NTC and NMCs play a role here, and for that you also do need to give Feaster some benefit-of-doubt on return.

More importantly, I want to go in more detail on the quality of the players dealt here. I really do appreciate what Iginla did in his 16 years here, but really most importantly what he did in 2004. His play in that playoff was probably the most dominant we'll ever see a Flames player in that critical of a situation in the playoff setting. But, as I've said over and over again, for the past at least 5 years, Iginla hasn't been much more than a sniper. Ever since he lost the weight after the lockout (preparing for the faster new NHL), his quality of overall play suffered dramatically. Jarome has been on a steady decline for a long time now. Now, he's still a pretty decent sniper, who may even get hot in the playoffs and score a couple important goals, but remember that is something even Camalleri was capable of recently. I still liken him to Brett Hull at age ~32+. A truly one-dimensional, one-way player... but in Jarome's case a much more likeable guy. In the end, since 2004, Iginla did very little to really lead the Flames. He's a smart guy: he figured out that he'd last a lot longer (and be much healthier) playing a clean speed game rather than a dirty power game. For the Flames, this was a shame, for his usefulness and value as a player was never close to the same. Iginla should have been the next Mark Messier... but don't fool yourself... Iginla, after 2004, was never even close.

Perhaps if the Flames dealt him 2-3 years ago the return would have been much greater, but look at even now how demoralizing the trade of the franchise's face can be. That team was more competitive, and even though I don't think Iginla has been all that good for a long time, I don't fault the Flames for holding on to him a little too long. Only one team wins the championship every year, that cannot be the only measuring stick, so there's a lot to say for sentimental value of sports heroes, etc, and what they mean to cities and franchises.

Bouwmeester, anyone who has watched closely knows isn't a very good hockey player. I was listening to NHL radio this AM on my drive to work and they were actually very surprised such a disappointing player could return a 1st round pick. They were equally puzzled by the Blues willingness to take on his contract... one even suggested they could flip him this summer if he fizzles the rest of the year. Again, this was a relatively open bidding war. If another team wanted to pony up more than St Louis, being ignorant he was on the block certainly wouldn't be an excuse.

Overall, I am happy to have multiple 1sts in a good draft. It's obviously a big time of transition, but we've seen young and hungry teams do well without being loaded with talent in recent years. I think this team in the long haul is better for being without the post-lockout Iginla as their leader. I'm not sold on Feaster, I just think the smaller returns on his sales reflect more the market's understanding of his merchandise value than him not being a better salesman.

The Flames were not competative 2 years ago, they were just slightly less uncompetative, and it is a GM's job to know what was obvious to many with no particular inside knowledge, Feasters only excuse on this would be he knew all along but the owners were just screwing over the fan base with false hope in return for ticket sales.

I do blame the Flames for holding onto Iginla, I wouldn't if they hadn't traded him at all, I might not have agreed with it as a plan but I could understand and respect it, but if it was ok to trade him now then it was ok 2 years ago and so not trading him then is a massive skid mark that makes it clear Feasters a tool.

[SOMBRI2]

Saw this on Kijiji...
http://calgary.kijiji.ca/c-ViewAd?AdId=470503565

Just thought that fits in to this thread.

[dino7c]

let this die, Feaster has the two biggest returns of the deadline...he is staying for a while yet

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by dino7c

let this die, Feaster has the two biggest returns of the deadline...he is staying for a while yet

two biggest returns for two of the biggest names floating out there? Not sure if that qualifies as wildly successful or marginally competent.

[Savvy27]

Not only do I see Feaster staying on, I anticipate him being aggressive in the free agent market this summer. I don't see Calgary accepting a prolonged rebuild where they sit in the basement of the league happily waiting for players to develop. People keep saying that our goaltending doesn't matter next season because we won't be competitive and that might come true but I'll believe it when I see it as far as the slow build goes.

[mister__big]

Down Goes Brown grills Feaster pretty badly in his latest trade deadline column:

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...ine-day-primer

[JazzyFlame]

Feaster needs to go if only for the way he handeled Ignla post trade.

[FAN]

I think it's 50/50 at this point in terms of Feaster staying on as the team's GM. His chances of staying in the organization is a lot higher.

[bluck]

I think he's gone in the summer.. he has already burnt to many bridges with other GM's and his comments about not being "intellectually honest" was the nail in the coffin... see ya later Jay!

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by Savvy27

Not only do I see Feaster staying on, I anticipate him being aggressive in the free agent market this summer. I don't see Calgary accepting a prolonged rebuild where they sit in the basement of the league happily waiting for players to develop. People keep saying that our goaltending doesn't matter next season because we won't be competitive and that might come true but I'll believe it when I see it as far as the slow build goes.

I agree. Because unlike in Edmonton, Calgary fans/media actually put pressure on the team to win.

Haven't really read this thread, but just saying I think he deserves the chance to see this rebuild through, at least for the next while anyway. They've already given him the keys, let's just see what he does with it, now that he's finally free of Darryl's mess. I hate when rebuilding teams keep shuffling GM's every couple years. That guy's got his prospects in place, and a new guy will probably have a different hockey philosophy and shun many of them, then you're back to square one all over again. Rinse, repeat.

Maybe he'll build a contender, maybe he'll blow it, I don't know. But we may as well give him the chance and see what happens. Let the man do what you hired him for, being panicky and short-leashed with him isn't going to help anything.

[FAN]

Originally Posted by bluck

I think he's gone in the summer.. he has already burnt to many bridges with other GM's

What the hell? What bridges with other GMs has Feaster burnt? Peter Chiarelli didn't blame Feaster. Doug Armstrong likes Feaster enough to make a deal with him.

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by Sainters7

I agree. Because unlike in Edmonton, Calgary fans/media actually put pressure on the team to win.

Haven't really read this thread, but just saying I think he deserves the chance to see this rebuild through, at least for the next while anyway. They've already given him the keys, let's just see what he does with it, now that he's finally free of Darryl's mess. I hate when rebuilding teams keep shuffling GM's every couple years. That guy's got his prospects in place, and a new guy will probably have a different hockey philosophy and shun many of them, then you're back to square one all over again. Rinse, repeat.

Maybe he'll build a contender, maybe he'll blow it, I don't know. But we may as well give him the chance and see what happens. Let the man do what you hired him for, being panicky and short-leashed with him isn't going to help anything.

So the man publicly states that he is not the man to manage a rebuild, and yet he should be given time to manage this rebuild? That is baffling to me.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Ark2

That is baffling to me.

Should be baffling to just about everyone.

[nik-]

He's gone if all he moves are Jarome and J-Bo right? That would be brutal.

[Hells Bells]

Who are these "Down Goes Brown" and "Puck Daddy" guys?

And why should anyone care what they think? Honestly, just curious?

If they are truly knowledgeable or credible hockey people, would they not use real names?

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Hells Bells

Who are these "Down Goes Brown" and "Puck Daddy" guys?

And why should anyone care what they think? Honestly, just curious?

If they are truly knowledgeable or credible hockey people, would they not use real names?

??

The writer's names are in the articles.