Week 4: Riders at STAMPEDERS

[M*A*S*H 4077]

Originally Posted by flambers

Every player has an off game..... there is no chance he has played himself out of a starting role.

He's had one sort of good game so far this season. Coker has looked good in his limited touches. Cornish has done nothing to deserve the starting position this season besides act like a punk (to be fair though, last night Cornish did keep his emotions mostly in check).

And sometimes sitting the guy or taking away the start is what you need to do to get the fire back into.the player.

[M*A*S*H 4077]

Originally Posted by troutman

I would not say the Riders gave the game away. They were fortunate to have the lead. CGY had some stupid penalties, and dropped a few passes too. Glenn had better passing numbers than Durant, before the 4th quarter.

I do think the Riders choked, but full credit to the Stamps for turning.it on hard at the end. Passing yards don't mean much there, the Riders had what, 3 times the rushing yards the Stamps had at that point? Riders D collapsed and the Stamps jumped all over them

[browna]

Not nearly enough credit here given to Glenn, who took the brunt of the blame for the loss last week, for the win last night. Poised and composed and executed the plays to come back from 17.

Almost 400 yards, 4 td's and no turnovers. Hung in there to make a play to Bryant (and took a bit of a late hit, in so far as the Rider player driving him into the ground) and got a slight concussion. Back out for OT to continue where he left off, moving the ball down the field.

Although he helped with some key runs, there was no need for a running game as some always like to point out if the Stamps lost last night. Plus, Cornish looks like a different player now that teams can game plan for him and are not surprised by the change of pace he was over Renyolds. Didn't see any flare ups like the previous two weeks where he got mad at someone on his team, but he's not the effective player he has been at stages the last two years...again, which is fine in the pass happy CFL.

Outside of a big comeback that fell short in TO on the last play, and choking one away against MTL, Stamps look to be fine relative to everyone else in the league...so, as most seasons, assuming Glenn can stay healthy, its going to come down to who plays the best in those playoff games on those days, and everything else up to that point is noise/entertainment.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by troutman

I would not say the Riders gave the game away. They were fortunate to have the lead. CGY had some stupid penalties, and dropped a few passes too. Glenn had better passing numbers than Durant, before the 4th quarter.

It's funny how different the outlook is depending on what team you cheer for.

When Calgary blew a 12 point lead in 3 minutes against Montreal it seemed as though no one on CP or in the Calgary media gave Montreal any credit whatsoever. It was all about the blown lead by the Stamps and specifically Glenn.

As an outsider I thought Montreal had no business being in that game and that Glenn is a suitable QB, perhaps not long term but for this season. And yet I kept on seeing people calling for Glenn's head and that the Stamps should go for Mitchell. Calgary blew the game for sure though IMO.

FFWD a week later (2 weeks?) and pretty much the exact same scenario but now it is reversed. Stamps had no business being in the game and the Riders completely blew it with dropped TDs in the last minute and OT and then a ######ed play to push them out of FG position to win it. Not to mention Durant's pick that was eerily similar to Glenn's pick (perhaps not the play itself but the timing, importance and result).

And what is the focus? Vicki Hall writes one of the most ######ed articles I've ever seen talking about perfection and parade routes in WEEK 4!!!! If I didn't know any better you'd think the Riders were 17-0 heading into this game and the Stamps ruined their perfect season.

I see a ton of posts on CP about how the Stamps came back and showed resiliance despite 3 terrible quarters.

Bottom line is that your outlook is completely dependent on your position. I saw a Calgary team blow the lead against Mtl and I saw a Rider team blow the lead against the Stamps. Naturally Stamps fans will, and should, see it as a great comeback by their team.

Two games with very similar scenarios and outcomes but in one it is a terrible blown lead and in the other it is a monumental comeback. Just depends on how you look at it I guess.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by jammies

I don't think Lewis is fat at all, he's just built like a barrel. You don't see his belly jiggling when he runs like some O-lineman. I used to rather dislike him for the show-boating, but now he's the best reason to watch the Stamps - always entertaining and just runs over people when he gets the ball.

I don't even know if it matters if he's fat. Fat or not he's still a beast.

He definitely looks a bit "thicker" than last year for sure. As long as it doesn't affect his play I don't think it should matter.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

FFWD a week later (2 weeks?) and pretty much the exact same scenario but now it is reversed. Stamps had no business being in the game and the Riders completely blew it

I have to disagree. Twice the Riders had drives stopped on second down, and Durant was bailed out by penalties. CGY had more yards on offence, before the 4th quarter. SASK did well with the field position battle, but in no way were they dominating the Stamps.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by troutman

I have to disagree. Twice the Riders had drives stopped on second down, and Durant was bailed out by penalties. CGY has more yards on offence, before the 4th quarter. SASK did well with the field position battle, but in no way were they dominating the Stamps.

So you also thought Montreal deserved to win then?

The point is that you're never going to see the situations as anything but a Stamps fan and I'll see it as nothing but a Rider fan.

I'm sure Montreal's newspapers had articles similar to today's Herald (minus Hall's stupidity and I normally like her). And I'm sure papers in Sask have articles just like the ones we saw in the Herald when the Stamps blew it.

[OzSome]

Originally Posted by troutman

I have to disagree. Twice the Riders had drives stopped on second down, and Durant was bailed out by penalties. CGY had more yards on offence, before the 4th quarter. SASK did well with the field position battle, but in no way were they dominating the Stamps.

I agree. Twice the Stamps gave up TDs because of the bone-headed penalties. The other boneheaded penalty by Tsoumpas, the Stamps are starting to move the ball only to be handcuffed by that penalty and another. Riders only made a couple of big mistakes, the high snaps on the punt that cost them a safety and that INT by Malik Jackson that turned the game around.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

But the point I was making wasn't to get into a pissing contest or a debate about who "deserved" to win the game. I don't really believe in that anyway, the team that won, won. There are no points for deserved.


My point was that a blown 12 point lead with 3 minutes left was interpreted as "we blew it" by Stamps fans/media. And yet erasing a 17 point deficit was interpreted as "what a great comeback by us". Both of those viewpoints are from the viewpoint of a Stamps fan.

Whereas as a Rider fan I saw it as "Stamps blew it" and "Riders blew it" for their the Mtl-Cgy and Cgy-Sask games, respectively. And I'm not trying to say I'm not biased, I'm saying that I also have different ways of looking at it.

It isn't like I'm onto anything earth shattering here, I think it is pretty obvious that fans/media of a particular team are always going to interpret events in relation to how it affects their team. Flames win 6-0 and we're probably all saying how they dominated and the other team is probably saying that their team lost because of a poor effort. It is just natural to attribute the win or loss to your own team and usually (occassionally?) frame the win or loss as being won by your team or lost by your team. This usually results in the other team not being given credit for the victory but that seems natural.

For example, look at Glenn's pick or Durant's. Both were very, very similar. In either case you could say that it was a boneheaded play that caused the pick if you're a Stamps fan or Rider fan in those respective situations.

However Montreal fans and Stamps fans are probably saying about their respective situations, "what a clutch pick by our D".

I didn't mean to get into a who deserved to win debate. The Stamps won because they scored more points. Penalties, turnovers etc aren't excuses that I like to use. A team never deserves to win but took too many penalties that caused them to lose. They either won or they didn't. Penalties or whatever are all part of the game.

[PeteLFan]

Lewis trained hard for the season. If you follow him on twitter you know he's been raving about a energy product he takes. I don't think energy has ever been his issue, but he's scoring a unreal amount if touchdowns.