New iPhone/iPhone5/iPhone 2012 Thread

[oilyfan]

Originally Posted by blankall

On Android phones you can upgrade the OS as new versions come out. The S3 came with the latest OS, although it was possible to upgrade the S2. The S3 is just a superior phone in every way. It is easily the best phone on the market right now and is a leap ahead of the 4S. That being said, we'll have to wait and see what Apple has to offer.

Only if your provider allows it.

[Azure]

Also, it goes without saying that Apple is going to probably take a lot of marketshare away from not only Samsung with the release of the iPhone 5, but even MORE from Nokia and RIM who are in continual free fall. I would guess by the end of 2012, Samsung and Apple will easily account for 60-70% of all smartphones shipped.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by oilyfan

Only if your provider allows it.

It's pretty easy to get around that, if you were so inclined.

[oilyfan]

Originally Posted by blankall

It's pretty easy to get around that, if you were so inclined.

I believe you have to root the phone, that does not seem like a easy task for the average user

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Mccree

Beside music how could using more than one airport express help me?

1 ps3
1xbox360
2 iPhone
2 ipads
2 iPods touchs
1 iMac
1 appletv and thinking about a 2nd
router (Cisco i think)
shaw internet
one printer which I use airprint activator
iTunes for all my music and movies

Airport express can remote your printer, which doesn't seem to be something you need - me neither I also use AirPrint. It can extend your wireless network if it's all Apple, which yours isn't - mine neither so I only use the express for music streaming. I have three stereos so three AEs. Turns out AppleTV works perfectly well just streaming audio so I was able to retire my oldest AE.

I wasn't able to figure out any integration between Apple and xBox or my cable so I have all three on my main media setup. (I did manage to control my Mac from my Wii controller (pointless).) in practice we use xBox only for games, cable box only for TV and Apple TV for all streaming (iTunes & Netflix)

[sclitheroe]

Originally Posted by Azure

Smartphones are growing at an increasing rate. Samsung and Apple are the leaders in smartphones right now, probably by a long shot. I don't think anyone even comes close to selling what they sell.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/busine...849_story.html

Not exactly the single digit differences you're talking about.

I think those numbers are market share by shipments for last quarter, not global market share on smartphones - which makes sense, since it clearly illustrates the recent surge in S3 vs 4S sales you mentioned earlier, as Apple sales sag in advance of the launch of the iPhone 5.

I was looking at this chart (the second chart for smartphones):
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/...re-tug-of-war/

[oilyfan]

Originally Posted by edslunch

Airport express can remote your printer, which doesn't seem to be something you need - me neither I also use AirPrint. It can extend your wireless network if it's all Apple, which yours isn't - mine neither so I only use the express for music streaming. I have three stereos so three AEs. Turns out AppleTV works perfectly well just streaming audio so I was able to retire my oldest AE.

I wasn't able to figure out any integration between Apple and xBox or my cable so I have all three on my main media setup. (I did manage to control my Mac from my Wii controller (pointless).) in practice we use xBox only for games, cable box only for TV and Apple TV for all streaming (iTunes & Netflix)

Does the Apple TV airplay streaming work without having it connected to a TV, just to a stereo? As I write this I am wondering - why wouldn't it?

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by oilyfan

Does the Apple TV airplay streaming work without having it connected to a TV, just to a stereo? As I write this I am wondering - why wouldn't it?

I have it connected to my AV receiver via HDMI (the only output option?), along with my TV, Xbox and cable. If the TV is off I get audio only.

[PeteLFan]

I just hope those headphones are not real they look just as bad as the current ones. They are painful.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Azure

Point still is that 2 years ago, Apple was running away with the market, now Samsung has caught up. How will it be 2 years from now?

Samsung will be blocked from selling Android phones in North America and they'll be a Windows 8 shop

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by oilyfan

Does the Apple TV airplay streaming work without having it connected to a TV, just to a stereo? As I write this I am wondering - why wouldn't it?

The only hitch is that the only audio outputs on the Apple TV are HDMI and optical audio so you'd need a receiver capable of one of those. Assuming that, you can use it as an audio only device. Airport Expresses are the way to go for analog output (though they also have optical).

[Red]

Originally Posted by blankall

On Android phones you can upgrade the OS as new versions come out. The S3 came with the latest OS, although it was possible to upgrade the S2. The S3 is just a superior phone in every way. It is easily the best phone on the market right now and is a leap ahead of the 4S. That being said, we'll have to wait and see what Apple has to offer.

And the innovations are?

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by oilyfan

I wouldn't bet against Apple

maybe, but the last time we saw Apple without Steve Jobs at the head (1985-1996) it was the darkest time for the company. the only reason they were able to turn things around was because of Steve Jobs bringing over the OS X operating system from his NeXT company. Jobs was the primary driving force behind every single successful Apple product since then, so it'll be very interesting to see if they're able to continue with new innovation or stay status quo and rely on litigation to be their new "innovation"

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by oilyfan

I believe you have to root the phone, that does not seem like a easy task for the average user

the average user doesn't care what version of operating system they're using

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

the average user doesn't care what version of operating system they're using

Not helping with the thread derailing, but I found this interesting. Here are some numbers for the android version adoption over time:

http://developer.android.com/about/d...rds/index.html

(can't seem to imbed the chart but here is a slightly out of date one - the data in the link is more current though)

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[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

maybe, but the last time we saw Apple without Steve Jobs at the head (1985-1996) it was the darkest time for the company. the only reason they were able to turn things around was because of Steve Jobs bringing over the OS X operating system from his NeXT company. Jobs was the primary driving force behind every single successful Apple product since then, so it'll be very interesting to see if they're able to continue with new innovation or stay status quo and rely on litigation to be their new "innovation"

Well I would say litigation is a result of a lesson they learned from the early 90s. They aren't letting another windows come along, template their idea, and run them out of the market. So on that front I would say they are stronger than in their dark period.

Second, Jobs was run out of Apple the first time, and replaced with someone who was inferior. This time he left with a transition plan, and the chances a person who could continue his vision is much greater.

Third, Jobs still had his fingers in this iPhone, maybe at the road map stage. However, I don't see this being the first phone Jobs would have had no hand in. These Apple products are designed over years, not months.

So overall I would say Apple is not bullet proof, Microsoft is proof of that. However, they do seem to have learned their lesson, and do stand a good shot of making it work for a while longer yet.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by chemgear

Not helping with the thread derailing, but I found this interesting. Here are some numbers for the android version adoption over time:

http://developer.android.com/about/d...rds/index.html

(can't seem to imbed the chart but here is a slightly out of date one - the data in the link is more current though)

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I didn't realize Android versions had numbers not just cutesy dessert names.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Red

And the innovations are?

Not going to derail this thread, but a simple google search will list them. There is no doubt that the S3 is the best phone available right now. I'm anxious to see what Apple will do to match it.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Well I would say litigation is a result of a lesson they learned from the early 90s. They aren't letting another windows come along, template their idea, and run them out of the market. So on that front I would say they are stronger than in their dark period.

They tried to litigate against mircrosoft starting in 1988:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_C...ft_Corporation

They just weren't successful. The recent decision was awarded by jury and will most likely get overturned.

[Devils'Advocate]

There is absolutely no doubt that the New Jersey Devils are the best hockey team in the NHL right now. I'm not going to tell you why I think this, but I'm sure if you do some searching around Google you will see I am right. It will be interesting to see what the rest of the teams in the league do to match their awesomeness.