injecting insulin at the dinner table

[Pizza]

Originally Posted by nickerjones

I havent read the whole thread but this is ridiculous .

I have read through the whole thread, and these "inconsiderate" arguments are ridiculous.

I have a younger brother who has type 1 diabetes as well, and it only takes him seconds to lift up his shirt an inch on his left or right side and inject himself with insulin. He does this before every meal and he does this quickly and discreetly. We've had guests who ask what he's doing and he simply just tells them, "Im taking my medicine". People who see this as a big deal are the ones making a big deal out of it.

As for going to the washroom, what most of you dont know is that sitting down is best for injecting into the abdominal area. The fat is the ideal area where you want the insulin to go into and by sitting, collecting fat is easier than say someone who is standing in the washroom when their body is stretched out. I guess you could always sit on the toilet in a stall, but you dont always get that luxury to have a vacant stall in the washroom.

To the OP who had his whole dining experince ruined, unless this guy who was using the syringe was making a whole "look at poor me! I have to give myself a needle!" production out of it, get over yourself. Diabetics dont choose the daily routine of having to inject themselves with needles prior to every meal, waking up in the morning and before they go to bed. They have to because if they dont, they will die.

But I suppose to protect some of the people of the sight of a needle, my brother will have to excuse himself from the table at the restaurant, find the washroom, check if there's a vacant stall, wait for one if there isnt one, inject himself while sitting on the toilet and come right back to the dinner table only to protect you sensitive people for a discrete 5 seconds process which you could've easily looked away from

[Sr. Mints]

Diabetic since he was four, here.

I don't like to to shoot up in public, because it feels as though I'm wearing my diabetes on my sleeve, so to speak--and that's not really my style. Yet it wouldn't bother me one bit if someone else did it at the table.

When I am in a public space and can't inject my dose in my car, at my desk, in a washroom, etc., I inject through my clothes and into my leg without making a giant movie production out of it. I also use a pen which is more discrete than a syringe.

It's convenient that people have already brought up breast feeding in public: It's the mid 90's and my family is out for dinner at The Cheesecake Cafe next to Northland Mall. In the booth across from us and down the aisle, directly in my line of sight, a woman pulls out her humungous breast and attaches a miniature human baby to her swollen nipple. It was awful, and I didn't like it, and it really did ruin my dinner--and yet a teenaged-year-old me couldn't remove his gaze. It has been burned in my memory forever.

Perhaps that memory is also why I'm conscience about injecting in public.

[afc wimbledon]

I live in East Van, you should think yourself lucky the guy shooting up was a diabetic, round here he wouldn't be!

[Yakbutter]

Originally Posted by underGRADFlame

What? Really, you actually think that?

Yes all of the "science" around second hand smoke is dubious at best and has in most cases been shown to be completely fabricated. I'm not saying it's healthy for you but the claims that it can cause emphysema or even cancer are based off shoddy science. A persons lungs have more damage done to them simply by living in a major city (pollution in the air) than walking by some cigarette smoke once in a while.

[IliketoPuck]

People are too sensitive these days, and it isn't just a crack at this thread, but an observation in general. It seems that there is always someone complaining about something trivial that at the end of the day really makes no difference.

One example would be the dog park in Cambrian Heights. One of the best places in the city to take your dog and allow them to roam off-leash. What happens? Some resident decides that there is too much traffic in the area, complains to the city and has the fence removed on one side, completely negating the purpose of the park in the first place.

Another example would be neighbors complaining about my grandparents garden behind their house. It had been there for 40 years, and yes it was outside the property line. However it was well maintained, had a nice walking path for people to go through, and it wasn't the only garden like it in the neighborhood. Some lady complains that her dog gets attacked by another dog in the vicinity of the garden, and the garden has to go. Even the bylaw officer shook his head and apologized with a "we know this is ridiculous, but the neighbor complained..."

The world is way too sensitive about little things that really don't affect you and it is a big pet peeve of mine.

Another one is rewarding kids for "participation." All that it teaches them is to be entitled and that if they tried their "best" it is good enough. Sorry. If you aren't first, you're last. But that discussion is not for this thread.

Actually this whole post should just go in the grinds my gears thread, but cheers.

If you want to inject insulin at a restaurant, do it discreetly, I don't care.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

People are too sensitive these days, and it isn't just a crack at this thread, but an observation in general. It seems that there is always someone complaining about something trivial that at the end of the day really makes no difference.

One example would be the dog park in Cambrian Heights. One of the best places in the city to take your dog and allow them to roam off-leash. What happens? Some resident decides that there is too much traffic in the area, complains to the city and has the fence removed on one side, completely negating the purpose of the park in the first place.

Another example would be neighbors complaining about my grandparents garden behind their house. It had been there for 40 years, and yes it was outside the property line. However it was well maintained, had a nice walking path for people to go through, and it wasn't the only garden like it in the neighborhood. Some lady complains that her dog gets attacked by another dog in the vicinity of the garden, and the garden has to go. Even the bylaw officer shook his head and apologized with a "we know this is ridiculous, but the neighbor complained..."

The world is way too sensitive about little things that really don't affect you and it is a big pet peeve of mine.

Another one is rewarding kids for "participation." All that it teaches them is to be entitled and that if they tried their "best" it is good enough. Sorry. If you aren't first, you're last. But that discussion is not for this thread.

Actually this whole post should just go in the grinds my gears thread, but cheers.

If you want to inject insulin at a restaurant, do it discreetly, I don't care.

If it was done discreetly I never would have known and this thread never would have been started.

Another one is rewarding kids for "participation." All that it teaches them is to be entitled and that if they tried their "best" it is good enough. Sorry. If you aren't first, you're last. But that discussion is not for this thread.

This would be an interesting conversation. Imma start another thread.

[IliketoPuck]

Originally Posted by Sliver

If it was done discreetly I never would have known and this thread never would have been started.



This would be an interesting conversation. Imma start another thread.

It wasn't a shot at you per say Sliver, I've read the whole thread and understand your point. More just a rant about society in general being so sensitive about everything.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

It wasn't a shot at you per say Sliver, I've read the whole thread and understand your point. More just a rant about society in general being so sensitive about everything.

Fair enough. I think your post was interesting.

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

I don't think the mods would appreciate me posting what I think of your attitude. So I won't.

If you don't have anything nice to say, make sure everyone knows it before you don't say anything at all.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Are you serious? I can't imagine what I've said that would be so upsetting to you that you'd be worried about punitive measures by the mods if you spoke your true feelings.

Why don't we just exterminate all the diabetics?

[IliketoPuck]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

Why don't we just exterminate all the diabetics?

If we controlled the supply of insulin, we could have an army of slaves to do our bidding instead.

Not a fan of the Vancouver Canucks? Well I have someone who wants some insulin and is willing to do just about anything to get it.....endless possibilities.

[Pizza]

Originally Posted by Sliver

If it was done discreetly I never would have known and this thread never would have been started.

Are you sure it's not because of your lack of willpower?
A hundred different things going on around you in that restaurant and you choose to continue thinking about that injection.

Being discreet does not make it entirely invisible to everyone. There is a chance that someone will notice his insulin injection despite taking reasonable measures to not draw attention.

Unlucky for you, you noticed. You have to think about needles and how selfish this diabetic was for not injecting himself in the washroom or in the car. Afterall, all this diabetic have to worry about is living a shorter life than the average person, the possibility of loosing limbs and weakened organs, having a weaker eyesight, financially supporting a never ending cost for insulin and supplies, seeing medical specialists more frequently, worry about their diet and sweets intake.

Poor you.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Pizza

Are you sure it's not because of your lack of willpower?
A hundred different things going on around you in that restaurant and you choose to continue thinking about that injection.

Being discreet does not make it entirely invisible to everyone. There is a chance that someone will notice his insulin injection despite taking reasonable measures to not draw attention.

Unlucky for you, you noticed. You have to think about needles and how selfish this diabetic was for not injecting himself in the washroom or in the car. Afterall, all this diabetic have to worry about is living a shorter life than the average person, the possibility of loosing limbs and weakened organs, having a weaker eyesight, financially supporting a never ending cost for insulin and supplies, seeing medical specialists more frequently, worry about their diet and sweets intake.

Poor you.

You have to be kidding me. First of all, quit pretending I was outraged at this. I said I was "put off" by it. That means I found it unpleasant to watch. Even if you don't find it unpleasant to see somebody injecting themselves with a needle while you carve into your veal, surely you can't think it's out of the realm of reason that somebody else would.

And just because I didn't like watching him insert a needle into his belly while I was out for supper doesn't mean I'm not sympathetic to diabetics. I just think he could have done it somewhere else.

Many people have "conditions" that require treatment others would find unusual and unpleasant. Whenever possible, I think it's polite to administer those treatments with a degree of discretion.

[longsuffering]

In a society where is seemingly is 'okay' to use your cell phone while you're in a restaurant or even a movie theatre, or where its considered okay to bring your rotten, screaming unruly kids to a nice restaurant, I can't work up an ounce of outrage for a diabetic injecting himself at his own table.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

In a society where is seemingly is 'okay' to use your cell phone while you're in a restaurant or even a movie theatre, or where its considered okay to bring your rotten, screaming unruly kids to a nice restaurant, I can't work up an ounce of outrage for a diabetic injecting himself at his own table.

What are you talking about? Everything you just listed is socially unacceptable, with the exception of bringing kids to a restaurant, although I think it's fair to say good behaviour should be expected.

Edit: And again, there was no outrage at any point.

[Wormius]

As long as the person didn't leave the needle or a blood test strip on the table, I don't see the problem.