An American Federal Prosecutor arranges to have sex with a 5-year- old

[MrMastodonFarm]

bad post.

[MolsonInBothHands]

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[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by MolsonInBothHands

Agree to Disagree.

God dammit...
I replied to the wrong post.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

I would think that killing someone would be just as bad as pedophilia.

Disagree.

[DuffMan]

He should lose both arms and an eye, and then be thrown in general population.

[Neeper]

Don't worry guys. This guy will get justice when he's in jail. Even hardened criminals can't stand sick pedophiles like this, let alone a Fed prosecutor. The murderers and gangsters will take care of him, I'm sure.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Disagree.

Give me a break. No wonder our world is so ****ed. Life means nothing eh. Some freak show molests a girl so he/she deserve death. Pedophilia is worse than killing. Might aswell kill all the pervs that rape people to.

These people do not deserve to mingle in our society, but no one deserves death and as much as you want to say other offences are worse than death...they aren't. Death is the end....we only get one shot at it. And nobody has the right to decide who lives and who dies. (nor does anyone have the right to rape people.....but they are not the same).

[habernac]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Give me a break. No wonder our world is so ****ed. Life means nothing eh. Some freak show molests a girl so he/she deserve death. Pedophilia is worse than killing. Might as well kill all the pervs that rape people to.

These people do not deserve to mingle in our society, but no one deserves death and as much as you want to say other offences are worse than death...they aren't. Death is the end....we only get one shot at it. And nobody has the right to decide who lives and who dies. (nor does anyone have the right to rape people.....but they are not the same).

You finally said something I agreed with.

This guy is garbage. And I'm with the majority who believe he should be strung up by his testicles.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by habernac

You finally said something I agreed with.

This guy is garbage. And I'm with the majority who believe he should be strung up by his testicles.

That is sad...

[Burninator]

ah nevermind oops.

me good read.

[Flashpoint]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Yes, this guys is fricken scum of the earth and should be removed from society....but what I dont get is how easy people can condone further acts of violence such as killing and stoning. It makes you no better than him.

Because this isn't a situation where the guy has any hope of ever being "rehabilitated". Murderers, drug users, car thieves...all of them are incarcerated under the theory of protecting society, and helping them find ways to lead productive lives. I agree it doesn't often work out that way, but at least non sexual offenders have a slim shot at turning their lives around.

Pedophiles are sexually attracted to children. You can't "unlearn" a sexual compulsion like that. It isn't like someone making a bad choice and boosting a car, or killing your wife in a fit of rage because she is sleeping around.

Throw in the fact that most of them know exactly what they are doing, that they elaborately plan their abuse ahead of time, that they are preying on the most defenseless members of society, and that their victims will frequently be severely scarred for the rest of their lives...

...well it's just better to sometimes put down a sick animal, than it is to allow them to continue to limp along.

I have zero tolerance for child abusers, and for you to suggest that the state executing them is somehow as bad as their crimes - give your head a shake buddy.

It isn't even close.

[MolsonInBothHands]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Give me a break. No wonder our world is so ****ed. Life means nothing eh. Some freak show molests a girl so he/she deserve death. Pedophilia is worse than killing. Might aswell kill all the pervs that rape people to.

These people do not deserve to mingle in our society, but no one deserves death and as much as you want to say other offences are worse than death...they aren't. Death is the end....we only get one shot at it. And nobody has the right to decide who lives and who dies. (nor does anyone have the right to rape people.....but they are not the same).

The world is so screwed because repeat offending degenerates like this who stand little to know chance of rehabilation are permitted to breath the same air as five year old girls who have to be fearful (at five years old!!!) of coming into contact with such horrible acts. I also think parents that sell their children into such torture should at the very least be sterilized so they can never again create additional torture victims.

[Burninator]

How do you guys know people who molest children are incapable of rehabilitation? Repeat offenders maybe, but this guy has only one charge against him. He did say he's done it before to the "girl" but that may or may not be true.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by fotze

Insert creative violent act here to show that I too, am sufficiently outraged by this person.

X 2.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Flashpoint

Pedophiles are sexually attracted to children. You can't "unlearn" a sexual compulsion like that. It isn't like someone making a bad choice and boosting a car, or killing your wife in a fit of rage because she is sleeping around.

Is it something they chose though? If it isn't something they chose, how is killing them for something they didn't choose an action of an enlightened society?

Euthanizing individuals just because we currently lack the ability to fix them (or at least make it so they can't harm society) seems like a slippery slope to me. Why draw the line at pedophiles?

Someone who abuses a child is more like a rapist, it's an act of violence. Rapists should go too, they've crossed a line that cannot be uncrossed.

[OILFAN #81]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Yes, this guys is fricken scum of the earth and should be removed from society....but what I dont get is how easy people can condone further acts of violence such as killing and stoning. It makes you no better than him.

I don't agree with stoning either bc you are right there is no need for "acts of violence". However, murderers (that isn't self defense (your own self defense or someone's elses) or accidental in any way), rapists and anyone that does anything to children don't deserve to be on this planet. You say they don't belong in society so I assume you mean send them to jail for life? Rapists/pedophiles wouldn't last a month in jail without getting the snot beat out of them. They are the scum of the scum(as you've said). All the other inmates have a "code" if you will, and rapists/pedophiles would actually probably rather want death then to have their a** kicked in every day. I think if you commit any gruesome crime such as a rape, or anything to children you totally deserve death. It doesn't have to be stoning etc as yeah that probably wouldn't make one better then a criminal. Just stick some needles in the m*thaer and that's that. I don't have the patience for those people. My stance may seem emotional but 2 of my best friends that are girls were brutally raped at the ages of 17 and 18 and still to this day there lives aren't the same. They are super popular women but they are still down because something was taken away from them and that's something that will never go away. I see what you are saying in that committing violence on someone who commited a crime doesn't make you better. Stoning or castration or making someone suffer probably isn't the best way to go. Give em the injection and they are "removed from society" as you put it. It doesn't have to be a violent death, just rid them from society. Some people get help when they commit crimes (GTA, stealing, robbery, etc) but in cases like this, I don't believe people deserve a second chance when it is this extreme. Just my stance on things.
PS.....just wanted to restate that I only think the death penalty should be handed out in extreme cases (repeat offenders, etc)

[MolsonInBothHands]

Originally Posted by Burninator

How do you guys know people who molest children are incapable of rehabilitation? Repeat offenders maybe, but this guy has only one charge against him. He did say he's done it before to the "girl" but that may or may not be true.

He was attempting to make arrangements with the 'mother' for the first time. Saying he has done it many times before implies multiple victims. By his own words he is a repeat offender.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Flashpoint

Because this isn't a situation where the guy has any hope of ever being "rehabilitated". Murderers, drug users, car thieves...all of them are incarcerated under the theory of protecting society, and helping them find ways to lead productive lives. I agree it doesn't often work out that way, but at least non sexual offenders have a slim shot at turning their lives around.

Pedophiles are sexually attracted to children. You can't "unlearn" a sexual compulsion like that. It isn't like someone making a bad choice and boosting a car, or killing your wife in a fit of rage because she is sleeping around.

Throw in the fact that most of them know exactly what they are doing, that they elaborately plan their abuse ahead of time, that they are preying on the most defenseless members of society, and that their victims will frequently be severely scarred for the rest of their lives...

...well it's just better to sometimes put down a sick animal, than it is to allow them to continue to limp along.

I have zero tolerance for child abusers, and for you to suggest that the state executing them is somehow as bad as their crimes - give your head a shake buddy.

It isn't even close.

Give YOUR head a shake buddy. You are comparing humans to animals.

You have no idea. Most pedophilies are they way they are because someone else did it to them when they were very young. They are hardwired because some freak show molested them when they were young and now you want to give them a death sentence because they were a victim in the past....unbelievable. Do you have any concept of forensic psychology? Most ****ed up people in this world are the way they are because of tramatic childhood experiences. They did not choose for those things to happen to them. Like you said, they are the way they are....they cannot help it. This doesn't mean that they cannot choose to act on their impulses, they DO have that choice and if they violate someone they need to be removed from society...forever.

But don't be so quick to say someone deserves death. How would you feel if some freak molested you as a small child and screwed you mental for life? Do you think you should be put down like a sick animal or atleast be allowed to live without risk of hurting others? Who knows, someday they may beable to cure this.

I have zero tolerance for sexual predators aswell, that doesnt mean they deserve a death sentence. Where do you draw the line???? Does some guy deserve death because he took one picture of a naked child?

Sad....really really sad.

[MolsonInBothHands]

Originally Posted by photon

Is it something they chose though? If it isn't something they chose, how is killing them for something they didn't choose an action of an enlightened society?

Euthanizing individuals just because we currently lack the ability to fix them (or at least make it so they can't harm society) seems like a slippery slope to me. Why draw the line at pedophiles?

Someone who abuses a child is more like a rapist, it's an act of violence. Rapists should go too, they've crossed a line that cannot be uncrossed.

Let's say this creep hasn't chosen to be a pedophile, implying they are animal urges he can't control. What stops this guy from grabbing the first preschooler he sees at a playground and tearing her in half right there? He is human, not an animal, and realizes these urges are way below immoral, so he must resort to clandestine tactics to satisfy them. He is capable of controlling the urges until such time he thinks he isn't going to get caught. To me that sounds like choice.

[photon]

Originally Posted by MolsonInBothHands

Let's say this creep hasn't chosen to be a pedophile, implying they are animal urges he can't control. What stops this guy from grabbing the first preschooler he sees at a playground and tearing her in half right there? He is human, not an animal, and realizes these urges are way below immoral, so he must resort to clandestine tactics to satisfy them. He is capable of controlling the urges until such time he thinks he isn't going to get caught. To me that sounds like choice.

Very true, he chooses to cross that line of violating another person's rights at the most extreme level possible (like a rapist does).

But in the past people saw homosexuals at the same level, if killing offenders was acceptable then homosexuals would have been being killed.

I'm just saying I don't think killing off things that we haven't learned how to deal with yet is a good thing for a society to do, as a society I think it crosses a line.

You're attracted to women or men.. imagine having that same attraction all your life, except you can't ever act on it, ever. If anyone knew you had that attraction you'd be cast out at best and killed at worst. Sexuality is core to the human psyche, but you can't express that ever. What kind of effect would that have on your mind? Hopefully you'd choose to be celebate and just live with it.

Some (most? who knows) aren't and eventually give in and act out.

I don't know I just hope that some day we can actually help people who do these kinds of things rather than sticking them in prison and hoping they somehow work it out and don't reoffend....