Get the F*** Out of the Left Lane

[Vulcan]

I don't mind speeders if they do it when traffic and road conditions allow it. I hate the tailgaters when I'm already over the speed limit. The funny thing about tailgating is that if traffic slows or stops in one lane, the tailgater is stuck behing the car in front of him while a driver who allows room has time to change lanes. It seems to me that common sense, courtesy and skill has gone out the window in Calgary, not to mention knowledge of the rules, whether written or unwritten. I kinda speed when on my motorcycle on country two lane highways, no tailgating, but often cars will pull over and let me go on. That way if I screw up, they're not involved. Courteous and showing common sense.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

This is one post I found worth pointing out (sorry for the late reply). This used to be my attitude. Then I realized I had road rage problems. I'm not telling you how to drive or live your life, but something I think you may want to consider. I used to be a standard ~10 above (60 in a 50 zone, 125 on the highway) driver in the right lane, now I'm a speed limit to 5 above (50-55 in a 50 zone, 110 on the highway) in the middle lane and I'm a far less stressful driver. If you are posting like 4X4 or REDVAN, I think you have road rage problems and you may want to consider taking it easy. (No offense guys) If you do speed, but don't get all bent out of shape to slow down and let the guy in front of you change for 10 sec, thats fine.

For the thread, it comes to courtasy. People speed, get over it. Don't try policing the roads, mind your own business However, this isn't Rome or Paris, get over that as well. Yes, Paris and Rome does that and it works great, but this isn't Rome or Paris. Calm down.

No offense taken. I know I came off as a lunatic the way I was posting, but in reality, situations like the one sylvan posted above get me just as ticked off as the slow left laners.
I know how I drive. Almost grandma-like on residentials and collectors. But on the freeway, I'm here to get where I'm going. And if you're taking a sunday drive in the left lane, that'll draw my ire (at least electronically).

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by llama64

Is this true? If the workers arn't in the zone the speed limits are not enforced? I always thought that a construction zone was 24/7 while it was designated one, meaning obey the signs.

IIRC fines are double when workers are present. The speed limit is whatever is posted.

[Ford Prefect]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

This is one post I found worth pointing out (sorry for the late reply). This used to be my attitude. Then I realized I had road rage problems. I'm not telling you how to drive or live your life, but something I think you may want to consider. I used to be a standard ~10 above (60 in a 50 zone, 125 on the highway) driver in the right lane, now I'm a speed limit to 5 above (50-55 in a 50 zone, 110 on the highway) in the middle lane and I'm a far less stressful driver. If you are posting like 4X4 or REDVAN, I think you have road rage problems and you may want to consider taking it easy. (No offense guys) If you do speed, but don't get all bent out of shape to slow down and let the guy in front of you change for 10 sec, thats fine.

For the thread, it comes to courtasy. People speed, get over it. Don't try policing the roads, mind your own business However, this isn't Rome or Paris, get over that as well. Yes, Paris and Rome does that and it works great, but this isn't Rome or Paris. Calm down.

Where in any of my posts have I said anything that indicates I have road rage problems? Sorry, but I don't follow your leap in logic. Just because I speed doesn't mean I have road rage problems. Nor does your having had road rage problems when you used to speed mean that I have road rage problems when I speed. All I said was that I naturally tend to drift up to 120, especially on rural highways, unless I'm constantly monitoring the speedometer. Please tell me how that translates into your assumption that I'm suffer from homicidal road rage issues.

[llama64]

Originally Posted by Ford Prefect

Where in any of my posts have I said anything that indicates I have road rage problems? Sorry, but I don't follow your leap in logic. Just because I speed doesn't mean I have road rage problems. Nor does your having had road rage problems when you used to speed mean that I have road rage problems when I speed. All I said was that I naturally tend to drift up to 120, especially on rural highways, unless I'm constantly monitoring the speedometer. Please tell me how that translates into your assumption that I'm suffer from homicidal road rage issues.

He didn't say you had road rage, just said that when he drove similar to how you described, he did. So frustration on the road is can be linked to your style of driving. Makes sense to me because I went through a similar evolution.

[lifer]

Originally Posted by Burninator

IIRC fines are double when workers are present. The speed limit is whatever is posted.

yeah...this is right. I heard it on the radio about a year ago. My original comment was wrong. My confusion probably came from the fact that in many construction zones they cover the speed limit signs (the construction zone ones) when nobody is working.
thanks Burninator

[Dion]

Originally Posted by llama64

Why does it always seem to be the massive trucks that come barreling down the left lane at 80+ km/h over the speed limit? Is it some sort of driver personality thing?

I believe it's due to the deadlines they have to meet. One I talked to said a lot of times the deadlines they have are unreasonable, so they speed.

The other week the Canadian govt said they are considering puttung chips/governers in all transport trucks to limit their speed to 105 kms.

[PowerPlayoffs06]

Originally Posted by 4X4

I know how I drive. Almost grandma-like on residentials and collectors. But on the freeway, I'm here to get where I'm going. And if you're taking a sunday drive in the left lane, that'll draw my ire (at least electronically).

I'm curious to know why you don't speed in certain areas like residentails and, I'm sure, playground and school zones?

Also, what's your take on semi trucks in the left lane? On my way home from work today four semis were flying down the left lane on Deerfoot, drafting off eachother, doing at least 130 kph.

[Ford Prefect]

Originally Posted by llama64

He didn't say you had road rage, just said that when he drove similar to how you described, he did. So frustration on the road is can be linked to your style of driving. Makes sense to me because I went through a similar evolution.

I'm confused. If he wasn't saying I have a road rage problem, then what is the meaning of the following quote:

"If you are posting like 4X4 or REDVAN, I think you have road rage problems and you may want to consider taking it easy."

Seems to me like he's saying I have road rage problems, which I don't. I tend to speed, especially on open highways, because 120 is the speed I tend to naturally gravitate to. If I catch up to someone, it doesn't frustrate or enrage me though. I just adjust my speed and wait for a safe opening to pass. No big deal.

[Ryan Coke]

Originally Posted by The Unabomber

But a slow moving vehicle is someone going under the speed limit, most likely to happen in the winter.......it's not giving speeders the green light to haul down the left lane.

No, it is SLOWER vehicles--in other words, if somone is travelling faster, you are slower.

You are creating a definition to suit your arguement.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

I bet I can text and drive better than most can drive and eat, or drive and drink (coffee), drive and talk to passengers, or even drive in general

I sincerely hope that when you lose this bet and get into a serious car crash and turn into a vegtable, become paralyzed or die, you don't take any innocent lives with you.

190... are you f'ing kidding me... now I have no doubt that there are some very good drivers, if 4x4 drove in Rome, I'm sure he could probably do 150 while talking on the phone... but I really don't think some immature punk like you knows what he's talking about. I have as much respect for you as a drunk driver who insists that he can drive after 10 beers.

I hope somebody gets you off of the highway and soon before you kill a family.

[Neeper]

Damn, I can't read all 18 pages. I am with 4x4 here. I speed 90% of the time when I drive. I also accelerate fast. However, when I speed, I don't go crazy. I rarely go 20km/hr over, although I do once in a while when deemed safe too. I can't stand idiots that drive slow in the left lane as well. It drives me crazy. I have to admit I have a bit of a road rage problem, however, I have taken steps to reduce that frustration. The thing that bothers me more than slow left laners are people who accelerate so slow it takes them 10 secs to get up to 50 km/h. Those are the ones that cause the worst rage from me. I hate especially when there's tons of traffic and the idiot accelerates so slow leaving a huge unused gap between him and the car in front. Now THAT slows down and backs up traffic. Ohhh... god and the left turning lane when there's an arrow. Go already, please don't accelerate so slow there's frickin 10 car lengths in front of you by the time you take the turn.

I won't even start about driving in Taradale/Saddleridge/Martindale.

I admit I am one of those guys that drive to the end of a lane end and gets in. However, I only do it when I see an idiot who has 40 feet of space in front of him. Sorry, I hate the fact that space is not used and causing further backups. If no one is going to use that space, I will.

[Neeper]

I don't know if it's been mentioned, but you can get fined for driving under or near the limit in the designated fast lane on the highway.

2(1)(b)
Drive at less than / near maximum speed in designated
fast lane outside urban area Fine: $115

Here's what the rules says:

Slow moving vehicles
3(1) If a person driving a vehicle is driving the vehicle on a highway at a speed that is less than the normal speed of the traffic on the highway at that time and place and under the conditions then existing, that person shall drive the vehicle
(a) in the right traffic lane then available for traffic, or
(b) as close as practicable to the right curb or edge of the roadway,
except when either
(c) overtaking and passing another vehicle travelling in the same direction, or
(d) preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway.

Funny how the bolded part say "at a speed that is less than the NORMAL speed of traffic, and not "up to the speed limit". My understanding is if the "normal speed of traffic" is 125km/h on hwy 2, which is what 75% off the drivers do, that means you should .. well... like 4x4 said.. Get the f*** out of the left lane.

[algernon]

Originally Posted by Neeper

Slow moving vehicles
3(1) If a person driving a vehicle is driving the vehicle on a highway at a speed that is less than the normal speed of the traffic on the highway at that time and place and under the conditions then existing, that person shall drive the vehicle
(a) in the right traffic lane then available for traffic, or
(b) as close as practicable to the right curb or edge of the roadway,
except when either
(c) overtaking and passing another vehicle travelling in the same direction, or
(d) preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway.

Plot thickens: Legal back-up of original poster's beef introduced...

Enter stage Left: Rebuttal!!!!11!

[Shawnski]

Originally Posted by Neeper

I don't know if it's been mentioned, but you can get fined for driving under or near the limit in the designated fast lane on the highway.

2(1)(b)
Drive at less than / near maximum speed in designated
fast lane outside urban area Fine: $115

Which doesn't apply to Deerfoot (in the 100 KPH designated zones). Others have indicated there are "Slower Traffic Keep Right" signs on Deerfoot, but from the descriptions so far (100 meters inside City Limits, southbound around 130th Ave) those are in the 110 KPH zones, thus highway designated sections, not urban.

Perhaps this is where the discussion isn't comparing apples and oranges.

Originally Posted by Neeper

Funny how the bolded part say "at a speed that is less than the NORMAL speed of traffic, and not "up to the speed limit". My understanding is if the "normal speed of traffic" is 125km/h on hwy 2, which is what 75% off the drivers do, that means you should .. well... like 4x4 said.. Get the f*** out of the left lane.

No where does the law speak to "normal" being a speed above the posted limits. Yes, keep right on the highways. No reason not to. Pass when appropriate.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by Ford Prefect

I'm confused. If he wasn't saying I have a road rage problem, then what is the meaning of the following quote:

"If you are posting like 4X4 or REDVAN, I think you have road rage problems and you may want to consider taking it easy."

Seems to me like he's saying I have road rage problems, which I don't. I tend to speed, especially on open highways, because 120 is the speed I tend to naturally gravitate to. If I catch up to someone, it doesn't frustrate or enrage me though. I just adjust my speed and wait for a safe opening to pass. No big deal.

I didn;t see Ford Prefect mentioned there, or do you use multiple id's?

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by Shawnski

Which doesn't apply to Deerfoot (in the 100 KPH designated zones). Others have indicated there are "Slower Traffic Keep Right" signs on Deerfoot, but from the descriptions so far (100 meters inside City Limits, southbound around 130th Ave) those are in the 110 KPH zones, thus highway designated sections, not urban.

Southbound @ 130th ave is still a 100 zone; and remains 100 for another 5 or 6 kilometres and 4 more interchanges. (And I have also now confirmed that the sign is ideed there.)

The one difference I will grant with that stretch of Deerfoot- it is never backed up unless there is an accident or something. But it is still quite urban.

[Ford Prefect]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

I didn;t see Ford Prefect mentioned there, or do you use multiple id's?

umm, no. Why?

The mods don't even allow mutiple IDs do they?

I guess it depends on how you read that post. In the context of the entire post, which was in in respnse to one of my posts, I took "you" to mean "me". As in:

"If you are posting like 4X4 or REDVAN, I think you have road rage problems and you may want to consider taking it easy."

"You" in that sentence is not referring to to 4X4 or Redvan. And the way I interpretted it in the context of the whole quote, it meant me. Whatever, this is gettting to be a waste of time.

[BlackArcher101]

Originally Posted by algernon

Plot thickens: Legal back-up of original poster's beef introduced...

Enter stage Left: Rebuttal!!!!11!

I'll give my rebuttal:

It says this:

[quote]that person shall drive the vehicle
(a) in the right traffic lane then available for traffic, or
(b) as close as practicable to the right curb or edge of the roadway,
except when either
(c) overtaking and passing another vehicle travelling in the same direction, or
(d) preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway.[quote]

So it's saying that slower than normal traffic are to stay right... but in the same quotation, it also says to stay right unless passing a vehicle. What does the law say about passing? Yep... you cannot speed in order to pass anyone. Part (c) is helping the other non 4x4 drivers in this regard.

[flip]

Originally Posted by Neeper

I don't know if it's been mentioned, but you can get fined for driving under or near the limit in the designated fast lane on the highway.

2(1)(b)
Drive at less than / near maximum speed in designated
fast lane outside urban area Fine: $115

Here's what the rules says:

Slow moving vehicles
3(1) If a person driving a vehicle is driving the vehicle on a highway at a speed that is less than the normal speed of the traffic on the highway at that time and place and under the conditions then existing, that person shall drive the vehicle
(a) in the right traffic lane then available for traffic, or
(b) as close as practicable to the right curb or edge of the roadway,
except when either
(c) overtaking and passing another vehicle travelling in the same direction, or
(d) preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway.

Funny how the bolded part say "at a speed that is less than the NORMAL speed of traffic, and not "up to the speed limit". My understanding is if the "normal speed of traffic" is 125km/h on hwy 2, which is what 75% off the drivers do, that means you should .. well... like 4x4 said.. Get the f*** out of the left lane.

yay speeders win. get out of the left lane i can speed if i want to. 'nuff said.