Mennonites leaving Quebec after government closes school

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Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

I'm curious though...how many of you/us were taught evolution in primary or secondary school. I know we never ventured to that depth where I went to school. I knew what evolution was of course. We learned about adaptation, Darwin and his studies etc..but it wasn't until University biology that evolution was a subject of learning.

I do remember learning it in science sometime around grade 8 or so.. I was never good at biology stuff though and when I got to choose my subjects I know I only took chemistry and physics and dropped biology altogether, so there may have been more in high school.

I kind of wish I had taken more now, I had to do a lot of un-learning in my adult life, and I think it should be pretty important to teach. Sure you might not need it for direct usage later in life, but that applies to 99% of what's taught in school.. teaching facts for use in life is only one part of schooling.

Learning how things evolve and change is part of learning to appreciate where we come from, where we're going, and how it all works together, which should be part of teaching someone to be a responsible member of society.

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Originally Posted by Burninator

/\ That's fine with me, expect I said that, not freeschools.

That's bizarre, I have no idea how it changed it like that, sorry.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Burninator

When I said Canadian curriculum I was referring to the collective curriculum that Canada has. Please, a curriculum that teaches creationism and you're calling me ignorant? People can teach their children their religious creationism at church, not school.

There is nothing wrong with a curriculum that teaches creationism. There IS something wrong when it is taught in the science classroom. I have looked at certain Christian home-schooling programs that leave anything 'faith' based out of science, but instead present it in more of a theology viewpoint.

But I guess with your close-minded viewpoint towards the subject, you would rather ban it than offer it in the proper classroom.

Taught in the proper setting, it is a fascinating subject.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

I agree with that...I don't think creationism has any place in PUBLIC schools.

I'm curious though...how many of you/us were taught evolution in primary or secondary school. I know we never ventured to that depth where I went to school. I knew what evolution was of course. We learned about adaptation, Darwin and his studies etc..but it wasn't until University biology that evolution was a subject of learning.

Exactly.

One point again...creationism DOES have a place...just not in the science classroom.

I do hope we never come to the point where we want to ban certain subjects because WE feel they don't belong. If a public school has the assets in place to offer more complex subjects....and creationism can be taught as a theology, and NOT a fact-based subject....great. There is nothing wrong with that.

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Originally Posted by photon

I do remember learning it in science sometime around grade 8 or so.. I was never good at biology stuff though and when I got to choose my subjects I know I only took chemistry and physics and dropped biology altogether, so there may have been more in high school.

I kind of wish I had taken more now, I had to do a lot of un-learning in my adult life, and I think it should be pretty important to teach. Sure you might not need it for direct usage later in life, but that applies to 99% of what's taught in school.. teaching facts for use in life is only one part of schooling.

Learning how things evolve and change is part of learning to appreciate where we come from, where we're going, and how it all works together, which should be part of teaching someone to be a responsible member of society.

And its sad to see certain schools/parents/courses/programs intentionally leave that 'fact' out of the learning process.

But this issue with the Mennonites is something completely different. Nothing is said about not teaching evolution, therefore the school was shut down. The CBC article decided to throw that part in, and I wouldn't be surprised if they were incorrect about that point. Like I said...I've seen home-schooling, Christian courses that do indeed present the idea of evolution.

Considering what has been said in this thread....it wouldn't surprise me to hear that most people think the 'anti-evolution' viewpoint is amongst ALL Christians.

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Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

I'm not going to get any further into it. If you don't believe me then it's just something I'll have to live with.

I've got nothing against home education, I've got plenty against home education when the educators are themselves uneducated and hell bent on indoctrinating their kids with a bunch of superstitious nonsense and unable to educate them properly.

For all I know there are hundreds or thousands of kids out there in Calgary getting a brilliant education from Mom at the kitchen table. The ones I met weren't.

I'm not disagreeing with you or disbelieving you. I just think your experience is the exception rather than the rule.

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Originally Posted by Azure

There is nothing wrong with a curriculum that teaches creationism. There IS something wrong when it is taught in the science classroom. I have looked at certain Christian home-schooling programs that leave anything 'faith' based out of science, but instead present it in more of a theology viewpoint.

But I guess with your close-minded viewpoint towards the subject, you would rather ban it than offer it in the proper classroom.

Taught in the proper setting, it is a fascinating subject.

Well if they are not teaching evolution in any classroom it's a fair estimate that they are teaching creationism in the "science" class. I never said anything about banning it.

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Originally Posted by Burninator

Well if they are not teaching evolution in any classroom it's a fair estimate that they are teaching creationism in the "science" class. I never said anything about banning it.

Fair estimate? Draw an opinion from assumptions?

Sad.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by Azure

Fair estimate? Draw an opinion from assumptions?

Sad.

There is nothing wrong with that assumption.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Burninator

There is nothing wrong with that assumption.

In your eyes, sure.

I find it sad that you've come up with an opinion on a certain group of people and you really know 'nothing' about what they teach, or what they're like.

In fact, just reading through this thread....it doesn't really matter HOW good of an education these home-schooled kids can receive....if evolution isn't taught...they are stupid despots that have been brainwashed beyond what you qualify as 'education'.

We should just ignore those people have who have first-hand knowledge of what is going on, and form and opinion based on your assumption. In a country where tolerance of other cultures and religions is one of our defining quality's....there are still people who condemn others because they don't agree with their viewpoint.

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Originally Posted by Azure

In your eyes, sure.

No, it's pretty obvious that an admittedly faith based curriculum, that is not teaching evolution would be teaching the Christian alternative, creationism. Why you think that is such a stretch is beyond me.

I find it sad that you've come up with an opinion on a certain group of people and you really know 'nothing' about what they teach, or what they're like.

In fact, just reading through this thread....it doesn't really matter HOW good of an education these home-schooled kids can receive....if evolution isn't taught...they are stupid despots that have been brainwashed beyond what you qualify as 'education'.

We should just ignore those people have who have first-hand knowledge of what is going on, and form and opinion based on your assumption. In a country where tolerance of other cultures and religions is one of our defining quality's....there are still people who condemn others because they don't agree with their viewpoint.

Whoa, pull back the reigns there! You are exaggerating what I am saying, oh, just a bit. I never said they weren't getting a good education, I feel as though there could be a problem with their education. I've listened to the "first hand" accounts. I haven't ignored them. She lived in the village and home schooled her children. Her children didn't appear to attended the school, she didn't seem to teach at the school. She mostly spoke of her person experience with her children. I fail to see the relevance of it. Funny that you brough up tolerance, because freeschools didn't want her children to follow the 'progay' cirriculum of the province. Yeah real tolerant of her.

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Originally Posted by Burninator

No, it's pretty obvious that an admittedly faith based curriculum, that is not teaching evolution would be teaching the Christian alternative, creationism. Why you think that is such a stretch is beyond me.

No it isn't obvious. I have seen faith-based cirriculums that do NOT teach creationism as a scientific alternative to evolution. Like I've said before, it doesn't surprise me that you and others seem to believe that the 'anti-evolution' viewpoint is shared by ALL Christians.

Whoa, pull back the reigns there! You are exaggerating what I am saying, oh, just a bit. I never said they weren't getting a good education, I feel as though there could be a problem with their education. I've listened to the "first hand" accounts. I haven't ignored them. She lived in the village and home schooled her children. Her children didn't appear to attended the school, she didn't seem to teach at the school. She mostly spoke of her person experience with her children. I fail to see the relevance of it. Funny that you brough up tolerance, because freeschools didn't want her children to follow the 'progay' cirriculum of the province. Yeah real tolerant of her.

I'm not exaggerating at all. This whole thread has been dominated by intolerance and arrogance towards these people. People who have a different viewpoint are suddenly ignorant and brain-washed.

And teaching your children at home is not being in-tolerant of other viewpoints. It is her right what she chooses to teach her children. The government has no right to take that 'right' away from her or any other parents.

As long of course, as the children meet the educational needs of the state. Which they have.

I'm done here. There is no point in continuing.

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I never called anyone ignorant or brain washed.

Originally Posted by Azure

I'm done here. There is no point in continuing.

I'll drop it as well.