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Old 08-23-2007, 09:31 PM   #41
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Old 08-24-2007, 02:01 AM   #42
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Just as we all love to condemn conspiracy theorists, this thread has illuminated for all involved the apologists, Cowperson, Thunderball and that other guy. Thanks for coming out boys.
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Old 08-24-2007, 05:38 AM   #43
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If ever there was a thread that showed that you shouldn't argue a position too vehemently when you really don't know the facts; this is it.

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Old 08-24-2007, 08:09 AM   #44
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So they were the undercover cops eh? It sounds like the EUB must have been involved with security in this debacle.
As if, the EUB involved in something like that? Talk about conspiracy theories, what a nut...
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Old 08-24-2007, 08:18 AM   #45
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Sooo.... paranoid conspiracies? Crying wolf? Pretty interesting story here, I wonder how many violent protests worldwide are infiltrated by cops? Unless Canadians invented the practise... which I seriously doubt...

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Sooo.... paranoid conspiracies? Crying wolf? Pretty interesting story here, I wonder how many violent protests worldwide are infiltrated by cops? Unless Canadians invented the practise... which I seriously doubt...

http://www.google.com/translate?u=ht...&hl=en&ie=UTF8
The police officers were located by the demonstrators at the time when they refused to launch projectiles.

Laugh.

To me that sounds like they are saying those guys were identified by the protesters only when they refused to throw rocks.

Is that what they are saying? I hope so, because just makes this whole thing even more ######ed.
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Old 08-24-2007, 09:44 AM   #47
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The police officers were located by the demonstrators at the time when they refused to launch projectiles.

Laugh.

To me that sounds like they are saying those guys were identified by the protesters only when they refused to throw rocks.

Is that what they are saying? I hope so, because just makes this whole thing even more ######ed.
Lol, no doubt! Those guys were clearly trying to defuse the situation and were pressured by the crowd into violence which they honourably avoided! Too funny!
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Old 08-24-2007, 09:49 AM   #48
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The CBC article posted by gottabekd says the same thing about the officers being identified because of their refusal to throw objects. I don't understand that.

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Police said the three were told to monitor protesters who were not peacefully demonstrating to prevent any violent incidents, but they were called out as undercover agents when they refused to throw objects.
To me that sounds as if the protestors were all throwing things and these three officers were singled out because they were the only ones who were not, which clearly isn't the case at all. In actuality it was the opposite, with the protestors demanding that an infiltrator put down the rock he was carrying while none of the protestors had any projectiles in hand and the protest leader was actually shielding the uniformed officers with his body.
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Old 08-24-2007, 09:57 AM   #49
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The police officers were located by the demonstrators at the time when they refused to launch projectiles.

Laugh.

To me that sounds like they are saying those guys were identified by the protesters only when they refused to throw rocks.

Is that what they are saying? I hope so, because just makes this whole thing even more ######ed.
Well that makes no sense. I thought the whole point of these guys getting geared up like Anarchists was so they could toss rocks and clash with riot police, thereby letting their peers open up with rubber bullets and tear gas.

Kinda odd if you ask me...
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Old 08-25-2007, 02:56 AM   #50
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Well well.....the coppers were coppers!!!!!!!!!

Quebec's police force is stuck inthe stoneages.

MONTREAL -- Quebec provincial police admitted yesterday three undercover agents were playing the part of protesters at this week's international summit in Montebello but deny they were attempting to provoke demonstrators into violence.
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Old 08-25-2007, 07:51 AM   #51
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Wow.

Here's an article from todays Calgary Sun with Stockwell Day stating outright that the protestors were throwing were rocks and identified the undercover agents when they refused to join in. It actually goes so far as to claim that one protestor put the large rock in the agents hand and told him to throw it.

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"The thing that was interesting in this particular incident, three people in question were spotted by protesters because were not engaging in violence," Day said. "They were being encouraged to throw rocks and they were not throwing rocks, it was the protesters who were throwing the rocks. That's the irony of this," Day said.
Yet in the article Hoz posts, the Ottawa Sun says, "The three mystery men, sporting bandannas, showed up on the front lines of a peaceful protest at the summit Monday."

So which was it? A peaceful protest? Or were the protestors chucking large rocks at police, yet for some reason, the police in the video were content to stand within inches of these protestors while they apparently rained stones upon them.

Wow.
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Old 08-25-2007, 10:27 AM   #52
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So which was it? A peaceful protest? Or were the protestors chucking large rocks at police, yet for some reason, the police in the video were content to stand within inches of these protestors while they apparently rained stones upon them.
Well said.

Stockwell Day is about to lose that youthful look he is trying so very hard to hold on to.

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Old 08-25-2007, 05:36 PM   #53
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Apparently there were two groups of protestors at the event. There was the gang of hoodlums with riot shields and gas masks and also a group of peaceful activists and grannies.

I imagine the cops intended to infiltrate the hoodlum group to do reconn or to help identify those inciting violence. I don't think the cops actually intended to start a riot, but were just kind of stupid in their attempts to blend into the crowd. No surprise. You don't need to be blessed with great analytical thinking skills to become a cop. You just need to follow directions.
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Old 08-25-2007, 11:59 PM   #54
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It's funny, when I first saw the video I wanted the French hoodlum to be able to say clearly that the fake cops were trying to make them act aggresive.

Now I realize that his fear makes the provocateurs more likely to be guilty in my mind.

listen to the way the real french 'hoodlum' stuttered out that the fake 'hoodlums' we're trying to make them a,a,a,a,agressive.

I think the real stuttering black bloc activist was scared that the cops were going to start whooping ass and was pissed off at the provocateurs with rocks in their hands.

If you want to talk about a conspiracy theory, Stockwell Day is claiming that the Black Bloc activists orchistrated this whole thing by passing the undercover police rocks. It's near impossible to prove they were provocateurs, but I believe the body language of all parties in the video tells us a lot more.

Anybody see anything else?

I read one person mention how the riot police with her video camera turned it off as soon as they arrested the fake activists. Seems kind of strange to stop recording at time a volitile situation is about to explode. It's at about 2:40 of the youtube video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St1-WTc1kow

I know I keep bumping this up with responses, but for some reason I am facinated by this footage and the implications of this story.

I definitely don't want this to quitely be swept away, with a 'no comment' from Stockwell Day. This thing is just getting more interesting to me.
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I don't know what it says about the country, but it's nothing good.
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Old 08-26-2007, 05:19 PM   #56
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Wow.

Here's an article from todays Calgary Sun with Stockwell Day stating outright that the protestors were throwing were rocks and identified the undercover agents when they refused to join in. It actually goes so far as to claim that one protestor put the large rock in the agents hand and told him to throw it.



Yet in the article Hoz posts, the Ottawa Sun says, "The three mystery men, sporting bandannas, showed up on the front lines of a peaceful protest at the summit Monday."

So which was it? A peaceful protest? Or were the protestors chucking large rocks at police, yet for some reason, the police in the video were content to stand within inches of these protestors while they apparently rained stones upon them.

Wow.
Do they actually expect us to believe this? I know Day is a world-class moron, but does he think we are going to believe his mealy-mouthed lies instead of our own eyes?

Anyone who buys this excuse is an idiot.
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I'm on a bit of a 'Stock' watch at the moment.

His fumble on this one could be monumental.

From Nov. 2006

http://tech.nologi.ca/?p=242&akst_action=share-this

Funny how he mentions Gonzales. In light of todays news.

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Here is an email that Stockwell Day, the Canadian Minister of Public Safety, sent out to his entire department yesterday.

I totally agree that he should send out department wide congratulations when something important has taken place but this is a bit too mellow dramatic for me.

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From: Minister of Public Safety
Sent: November 28, 2006 9:24 AM
To: NAT-Dist_all_CBSA-tous_ASFC
Subject: Recent Events

It was 2:30 a.m. in BC. 5:30 a.m. in Montreal. I was in the kitchen, staring out the window into the darkness. My wife, still half asleep, emerged quietly from the hallway and asked what I was looking at. I said, “Right about now, as we’re standing here safe and sound in our kitchen there are more than 700 officers from all over bursting into the hallways and doorways of a whole lot of high risk people.” I explained that what was unfolding that day was one of the biggest busts and round-ups of an organized crime group in Canadian history.

Knowing that the gangsters and others getting that early morning ‘wake-up’ call were being charged with everything from drug crimes and smuggling to attempted murder and extortion I knew the risks that hundreds of officers were facing that very moment. “I don’t even want to think about the kind of loaded weapons that a lot of criminals keep under their beds just for moments like this,” I said to my wife as she sat down at the table. I heard her whisper something. I asked her what she said. “It’s ok, I wasn’t talking to you. I was just praying that none of those officers would get hurt this morning” she said.

And none did. Thanks to the element of surprise along with their training and skill the operation was a huge success.

Congratulations to all our people at the RCMP, CSIS, CBSA along with Sûreté du Québec, the Montreal Police and other agencies, who have been working secretly on this Operation Colisée for a long time. I reflected on one aspect, the amount of cocaine that was seized and the amount that will now be prevented from getting to the street. When you break that down into individual hits of crack cocaine you realize that the number of kids who will now be spared, at least for awhile, from instant addiction and destruction is in the thousands.

On another aspect, you probably read that two of our CBSA officers were arrested in the Operation.

The media asked if I felt badly about that. “Of course I do” I said. “But I also feel very good about all the other CBSA men and women who put in an honest day’s work, day in and day out, their whole career, keeping our borders safe and moving.”

On another note, last week I was at the Annual Cross-Border Crime forum, held this year in the US. Let me tell you, you should have seen how your colleagues performed. The presentations our people did on everything from prisons and policing to emergency planning and border stuff was incredible.

The Attorney-General of the United States, Alberto Gonzales, told me at the end of the conference presentations that his FBI people and other US agencies learn a whole lot from the Canadians and how we go about our business. So whether you were directly involved in these events or not, you can be assured that the things you do every day, whether in Corrections or at the borders, in policing or emergency prep, are making a difference and it does get noticed. And hey, how ’bout those 72 Hour Emergency ads on TV! Good work to everyone who worked on that project. I saw the first ones on TV last week after watching the BC Lions whack the Als in the Grey Cup (And just for the record, I thought the ref was going to need help from Emergency Preparedness when he blew the whistle too soon and stopped the Als touchdown). Anyway, I never cease to be impressed with the diligence and expertise you show on the job every day.

Whether at your desk or at your post you are keeping my kids and grandkids safe and secure.

Thanks again for doing that. Thanks for being ‘there’.

Cheers,
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or send him your own email and maybe you can get an inspiring response or daily affirmation of some sort.

Day.S@parl.gc.ca

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http://www.canadians.org/action/2007/1-Aug-07.html

to take direct action sending some sort of form letter. I'm pretty sure they will be blocking email from that server fairly quickly though.
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Old 08-27-2007, 10:19 AM   #59
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Just as we all love to condemn conspiracy theorists, this thread has illuminated for all involved the apologists, Cowperson, Thunderball and that other guy. Thanks for coming out boys.
Say what? I never said anything in this thread, how could I have been illuminated as an apologist??
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