Both Capwages and Puckpedia have the number of contracts incorrect. The Flames sit at 47 contracts right now because Basha's slid this year.
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16 Flames Forwards
Huberdeau, Jonathan
Coronato, Matt
Sharangovich, Yegor
Farabee, Joel
Strome, Ryan
Coleman, Blake
Backlund, Mikael
Frost, Morgan
Zary, Connor
Lomberg, Ryan
Olofsson, Victor
Klapka, Adam
Pospisil, Martin
Gridin, Matvei
Beecher, John
Honzek, Samuel
9 Flames Defencemen
Bahl, Kevin
Maatta, Olli
Whitecloud, Zach
Bean, Jake
Hanley, Joel
Pachal, Brayden
Brzustewicz, Hunter
Parekh, Zayne
Kuznetsov, Yan
2 Flames Goalies
Wolf, Dustin
Cooley, Devin
12 Wranglers Forwards
Gross, Tyson
Suniev, Aydar
Stromgren, William
Kirkland, Justin
King, Carter
Othmann, Brennan
Bell, Parker
Ciona, Lucas
Hunt, Dryden
Bishop, Clark
Kerins, Rory
Morton, Sam
5 Wranglers Defencemen
Morin, Etienne
White, Gavin
Grushnikov, Artem
Cicek, Nick
Miromanov, Daniil
3 Wranglers Goalies
Prosvetov, Ivan
Say, Owen
Sergeev, Arsenii
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I never even mentioned Farabee, so I don't know why he's relevant. I'm commenting on 20% of cap. And the effect of a whole bunch of guys hitting RFA at about the same time.
Your comment was about paying Bedard $5M more than he was worth and that it would mean you couldn't sign most of the RFA"s coming up.
I mentioned that would mean getting rid of a Farabee since he makes $5M.
Yes, overpaying a Bedard does give you $5M less, but it's not particularly relevant to paying all your RFA's. It might mean one at most.
Your comment was about paying Bedard $5M more than he was worth and that it would mean you couldn't sign most of the RFA"s coming up.
I mentioned that would mean getting rid of a Farabee since he makes $5M.
Yes, overpaying a Bedard does give you $5M less, but it's not particularly relevant to paying all your RFA's. It might mean one at most.
Well, all I know is that few teams have succeeded after forking out the huge salaries to their stars. Where the success seems to lie is using that talent before the huge salary is given. But the way RFA salaries have gone since the Nylander hold out and other big deals changes that landscape. So all teams are in a different boat and I'm not sure how they will best deal with it. You admit that the offer overpays Bédard. I don't think overpaying is ever good (and it's something that hurts Calgary because they may have to do it to sign players).
As to the offer sheet idea, I suspect the Hawks would match anyway. And I think that would be a good result.
If any team submitted an offer sheet to Bedard for any legal amount, and he signed it, the Blackhawks would match it without a second thought.
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It's kind of too bad the Flames didn't keep him. Similar to Mantha, he had question marks after his injury, and the Flames decided to go in a different direction. I hope Greer continues his strong play for the Panthers.
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It's kind of too bad the Flames didn't keep him. Similar to Mantha, he had question marks after his injury, and the Flames decided to go in a different direction. I hope Greer continues his strong play for the Panthers.
Can't be a too bad situation. He was a helpful piece that kept the Oilers from winning the cup. That tops anything.
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It's kind of too bad the Flames didn't keep him. Similar to Mantha, he had question marks after his injury, and the Flames decided to go in a different direction. I hope Greer continues his strong play for the Panthers.
I liked Greer when he was a Flame, but if he were still here we'd probably be having discussions on here about him taking up a roster spot.
As for Mantha, I liked that signing by Conroy too. Obviously it didn't work out as planned due to injury but it was a good swing to take on a guy who could've been flipped at the deadline.
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The thing about Greer is the Flames dont have a guy like him really. Lomberg is kind of, but no where near Greers size.
So he wouldn't really be taking up a roster spot, although there would certainly be some claiming it because they just want young guys in every single spot on the roster which has always been a recipe for failure.
I suspect Conny does sign or trade for someone this summer to fill that role though. He knows you need aa guy or 2 like that....especially on a very young team.
The thing about Greer is the Flames dont have a guy like him really. Lomberg is kind of, but no where near Greers size.
So he wouldn't really be taking up a roster spot, although there would certainly be some claiming it because they just want young guys in every single spot on the roster which has always been a recipe for failure.
I suspect Conny does sign or trade for someone this summer to fill that role though. He knows you need aa guy or 2 like that....especially on a very young team.
I think Klapka has done a good job fitting into that role.
So you make a compeditor pay more for their player
I've never really bought into the notion that you don't make the offersheet because the other team will just match. If you want the player and the contract/asset cost is palatable to you, then you make the offer. Same thing with targeting UFAs. You try and let the chips fall where they may.
I don't think now is the time for the Flames to be making RFA offersheets, but being afraid that it won't work isn't a good reason IMO to not try. There will be other RFAs and UFAs available in the future when the Flames are in a better situation to really go for it. Locking in on a massive contract at this point could have future opportunity costs.
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Maybe this should have its own thread but I’m wondering if there are any free agents that the flames should consider in the offseason? I’m of the opinion that the team should not be looking to sign any players that make them a better team in terms of wins next season because I think at least one more year of drafting high would be the best thing for the team long-term.
The only players I would consider bringing in are ones that are physical and have a bit of that crazy mentality to throw a game into chaos if the other team starts taking runs at the young players the flames have in the lineup. We just saw with the Gudas incident how important team character can be… I’d like the flames to maintain a physical brand of hockey while also introducing young, skilled players into the lineup. The team will lose lots of games but I would like opponents to hate to play against the flames even during the rebuild.
Not sure who fits for that type of hockey and is available in free agency but that’s pretty much the only style of player I would look for the flames to bring in - I’m assuming the flames don’t have any players of that type on the wranglers but I might be wrong.
Maybe this should have its own thread but I’m wondering if there are any free agents that the flames should consider in the offseason? I’m of the opinion that the team should not be looking to sign any players that make them a better team in terms of wins next season because I think at least one more year of drafting high would be the best thing for the team long-term.
The only players I would consider bringing in are ones that are physical and have a bit of that crazy mentality to throw a game into chaos if the other team starts taking runs at the young players the flames have in the lineup. We just saw with the Gudas incident how important team character can be… I’d like the flames to maintain a physical brand of hockey while also introducing young, skilled players into the lineup. The team will lose lots of games but I would like opponents to hate to play against the flames even during the rebuild.
Not sure who fits for that type of hockey and is available in free agency but that’s pretty much the only style of player I would look for the flames to bring in - I’m assuming the flames don’t have any players of that type on the wranglers but I might be wrong.
Left overs free agents on one year cheap deals who provide good veteran leadership to trade at the deadline.
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If the oilers missed the playoffs or are eliminated early, what would be the cost to get that pick from San Jose (assuming it does not jump up 10 spots from a lottery win)? Right now, the pick would be 16th overall. The Vegas pick that the flames have is currently sitting at 19th overall.
If those draft positions stayed the same as they are now, is there a realistic scenario where the flames could acquire that 16th overall pick without giving up the Vegas pick? Not looking to just jump up a few spots from the Vegas pick - I’m wondering if the flames could get another pick while keeping the Vegas pick.
San Jose is wanting to start getting better right now. They were apparently very interested in Whitecloud but the asking price was too high. I could imagine the flames wanted that Oilers pick but San Jose probably weren’t willing to part with it at the deadline since it is unprotected and there is a chance it could end up in the top 5 of the draft if the Oilers ended up missing the playoffs and the lottery went a certain way. In the scenario I’m proposing, the Sharks will know by then that the pick is outside the top 10.
Would Whitecloud + 2nd round pick be enough/too much? The flames seem to really want to keep him unless a really good offer came up. Would be pretty hilarious though to get the oiler’s pick in this draft and turn that prospect into an impact player in the NHL.
I’ll add to this: if the flames could somehow get the Oiler’s 1st round pick (16th overall) while keeping the Vegas pick (19th overall). Does packaging those picks together get the flames another pick in the top 10? The flames would also have the draft capital of the multiple 2nd round picks that they could use to sweeten an offer to get that pick in the top 10. Think if the flames managed to win the draft lottery and get McKenna and then also get one of Bjork or Malhotra.
Strome is signed for 1 more year and Maatta is signed for 2. Honzek and Huberdeau will be back. There are at least 2 guys graduating from college + Gross, and the Battaglia trade swapped a junior guy for another pro guy. And Basha will be graduating to the AHL, plus Suniev is starting to figure out the AHL. Even now with this post deadline selloff it's a big logjam at both forward and defense.
They don't need more stopgap free agents, they have a glut of everything. They need to lose more guys to be honest.
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Strome is signed for 1 more year and Maatta is signed for 2. Honzek and Huberdeau will be back. There are at least 2 guys graduating from college + Gross, and the Battaglia trade swapped a junior guy for another pro guy. And Basha will be graduating to the AHL, plus Suniev is starting to figure out the AHL. Even now with this post deadline selloff it's a big logjam at both forward and defense.
They don't need more stopgap free agents, they have a glut of everything. They need to lose more guys to be honest.
Having too many capable players is a nice problem to have. There's always the option of moving out a player or two for more draft capital if there's not enough roster spots/ice time for everyone.
