Daylight Saving Time

[missdpuck]

I actually prefer standard time. I’m a weirdo. I like when it gets dark early.

[woob]

I don't mind standard time either. I can deal with evenings being a bit shorter in the summer.

[kevman]

Weirdos!

It's not the summer where the extra hour is critical, it's the spring and fall when that extra hour is the difference between after work activities with day light or not. Actually I take that back, I like it during the summer as well. That's a bonus lap on the mountain bike.

[DownInFlames]

[Salisbury]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

OMG that is the best time change reminder I have seen for a long time....!

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by kevman

Weirdos!

It's not the summer where the extra hour is critical, it's the spring and fall when that extra hour is the difference between after work activities with day light or not. Actually I take that back, I like it during the summer as well. That's a bonus lap on the mountain bike.

They're the 4:00 dinner, 8:00 bedtime, 5:00am wakeup types. Can't be people we design society around.

[missdpuck]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

They're the 4:00 dinner, 8:00 bedtime, 5:00am wakeup types. Can't be people we design society around.

Damned heliophobics.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by getbak

Except, since you're the only ones doing it, it will do none of those things for anyone who deals with any sort of scheduling outside of BC.

Congratulations, you get to experience all of the annoyances of changing your clocks with the added inconvenience of trying to remember if you're on the same time as the rest of the west coast this week, or are you on the same time as Alberta?

Many jurisdictions have passed laws saying "we'll do it when everyone else does it", but somebody has to be first

Originally Posted by Jimmy Stang

Long summer nights are nice, but winter mornings would become very dark, and the sun wouldn't rise until 9:39 in Calgary. That's not natural. There are some significant concerns around health, sleep, and even the safety of kids walking to school.

It's almost like we could adjust institutional schedules to account for these extremes. Many workplaces have summer hours and general summer policies; it wouldn't be hard to tweak things a bit where necessary

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Many jurisdictions have passed laws saying "we'll do it when everyone else does it", but somebody has to be first



It's almost like we could adjust institutional schedules to account for these extremes. Many workplaces have summer hours and general summer policies; it wouldn't be hard to tweak things a bit where necessary

Sure, but the problem is the people in control of the ability to tweak things where necessary aren't the brightest bulbs to make the proper changes.

[powderjunkie]

Bottom line for me is that winter sucks from a daylight perspective no matter what we do. Standard time is probably a little better in the winter overall, but it's not a dramatic difference.

9am sunrise is dumb. 4pm sunset is dumb. 4am sunrise is dumb. 9pm sunset is great.

[Shazam]

Biden admin said they were going to do it, and Canada/Mex was fully on board, but they never tabled the legislation.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Many jurisdictions have passed laws saying "we'll do it when everyone else does it", but somebody has to be first

No they don't. That's why you make an agreement that everyone will do it at the same time. It only makes sense if everyone is doing it at the same time.

If a place has enough clout, they can announce a change and force others to either follow suit or be out of sync. In the 80s, the Reagan Administration moved the start of DST from late April to early April and a short time later, Canada matched the change. In the early 2000s, the W. Bush Administration moved the start of DST from early April to early March and the end of DST from late October to early November and a short time later, Canada matched the change.

If California had announced they were going to stay on permanent daylight time, in defiance of US federal law, other states and provinces would probably follow suit because California has that clout. BC doesn't have the clout for others to follow them, so they're just going to be outliers like Arizona and Saskatchewan... and no one wants to be Arizona or Saskatchewan.

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

It's almost like we could adjust institutional schedules to account for these extremes. Many workplaces have summer hours and general summer policies; it wouldn't be hard to tweak things a bit where necessary

How is it better for individual businesses to make their own rules to adjust to the change rather than everyone making the change and then no one needs to make any other adjustments? That just makes things way more confusing as some people adjust their schedules and others don't.

For example, let's say you work for a Vancouver-based entertainment company and as such, you interact with other entertainment industry businesses in California. Right now, you sync your work schedule with your counterparts in L.A. and work until 5:00pm. When BC stays on permanent DST, your boss tells you that you need to continue to sync your schedule with California, so now you work until 6:00pm. Unfortunately, you take your kids to a daycare centre that closes at 6:00pm. The daycare centre doesn't do business with anyone outside of the lower mainland, so they're not going to adjust their schedule. Now, you have to find alternate arrangements, whereas if BC stayed in sync with the rest of the continent, everything would just keep on ticking the way it always has.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Biden admin said they were going to do it, and Canada/Mex was fully on board, but they never tabled the legislation.

Unfortunately, the US government is a broken mess right now and even when there's an issue like this that has general support on both sides, they still can't get anything passed because no one is willing to work together.

The problem is that the law in the US is written in such a way that a jurisdiction (I think it goes down to the county level) can choose to remain on standard time year-round, or adopt DST on the standard dates, but remaining on DST year-round isn't an option. That's why Hawaii and Arizona (and other smaller locales) don't change and stay on their local standard time the whole year, but others can't stay on DST.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

I’m still mad George Bush jr moved it from April to march and oct to nov. Unquestionably his most despicable war crime.

[getbak]

Moving from the last Sunday of October to the first Sunday of November was because of lobbying from Big Candy, wanting to make sure it got dark later on Halloween so kids would trick-or-treat longer.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by getbak

Unfortunately, the US government is a broken mess right now and even when there's an issue like this that has general support on both sides, they still can't get anything passed because no one is willing to work together.

The problem is that the law in the US is written in such a way that a jurisdiction (I think it goes down to the county level) can choose to remain on standard time year-round, or adopt DST on the standard dates, but remaining on DST year-round isn't an option. That's why Hawaii and Arizona (and other smaller locales) don't change and stay on their local standard time the whole year, but others can't stay on DST.

Yeah I guess it was like herding cats.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Just join the Newfies and next spring ahead just shift it 30 minutes haha.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

Just join the Newfies and next spring ahead just shift it 30 minutes haha.

I legit think this is the best option for all of North America.

Gets rid of clock changing.
Don’t have to settle for year round DST or year round standard.
No 10am mid winter sunrise and no 4am mid summer sunrise.
Only a small reduction to summer late evenings.

This is by far the best compromise which is why there’s a solid 0% chance it’ll ever happen.