[Trade] Flames trade Kadri (20% ret) + 4th to Avs for '28 1st, '27 2nd, Olofsson, Curran

[looooob]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Out: Kadri and a our 4th next year
In: 30 year-old LW with 20pts, 19 year-old LW/C drafted in the 5th round, COL's lottery-protected 1st in 2028 or unprotected 1st in 2029, COL's or MIN's 2nd in 2027

Out: Andersson, Weegar and Kadri
In: Not one single foundational piece that we can build anything around, or even a means of acquiring one. We did, however, get a fine collection of midling roster players that are going to take spots away from our young guys.

So, now the re-sgining watch begins. Prediction: Olofsson and Mataa are re-signed to 1-2 year deals in the offseason, and they plus Whitecloud and Strome will form our new veteran core, leaving almost zero open spots in the lineup for young kids to move up in September/October.

well to add to your despair Maata is already signed


anyhow the path to the elite talent we all crave is through the race to the bottom sadly- but there are many nice pieces to build around our own firsts in 26, 27 and 28 that are likely the real crown jewels of the rebuild

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Out: Kadri and a our 4th next year
In: 30 year-old LW with 20pts, 19 year-old LW/C drafted in the 5th round, COL's lottery-protected 1st in 2028 or unprotected 1st in 2029, COL's or MIN's 2nd in 2027

Out: Andersson, Weegar and Kadri
In: Not one single foundational piece that we can build anything around, or even a means of acquiring one. We did, however, get a fine collection of midling roster players that are going to take spots away from our young guys.

So, now the re-sgining watch begins. Prediction: Olofsson and Mataa are re-signed to 1-2 year deals in the offseason, and they plus Whitecloud and Strome will form our new veteran core, leaving almost zero open spots in the lineup for young kids to move up in September/October.

lol

What is up with you lately? Are you doing some sort of comedy bit?

"The sad sack with an unwaivering negative spin"

[dino7c]

Who was trading a foundational piece today?
Flames have more lottery tickets than anyone and are 31st in the NHL

[rollie619]

I am amazed at how fickle CP can be sometimes. Remember how mad we were at Tre for letting the previous core walk for nothing. (Except for Bennett). We got as many as three firsts, and four seconds and actual hockey players (who have leadership acumen), back for players who wanted to be elsewhere. I think that's pretty great. Kadri was a UFA signing who many claimed was an overpayment at the time and signed at a time, where it was debated whether players wanted to sign in Calgary. I think optimism needs to be there in this situation. Conroy did well today and the rest of the deadline.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

lol

What is up with you lately? Are you doing some sort of comedy bit?

"The sad sack with an unwaivering negative spin"

Panthers are a lottery team, that must take some getting used to after 3 straight finals. Hopefully the Oilers meet a similar fate soon without the cups or the 3rd final.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Out: Kadri and a our 4th next year
In: 30 year-old LW with 20pts, 19 year-old LW/C drafted in the 5th round, COL's lottery-protected 1st in 2028 or unprotected 1st in 2029, COL's or MIN's 2nd in 2027

Out: Andersson, Weegar and Kadri
In: Not one single foundational piece that we can build anything around, or even a means of acquiring one. We did, however, get a fine collection of midling roster players that are going to take spots away from our young guys.

So, now the re-sgining watch begins. Prediction: Olofsson and Mataa are re-signed to 1-2 year deals in the offseason, and they plus Whitecloud and Strome will form our new veteran core, leaving almost zero open spots in the lineup for young kids to move up in September/October.

Unfortunately, there is a salary cap, so teams cannot trade for salary without sending salary back and there's a salary floor, so the Flames have to have veterans in the lineup to ice a legal team

[devo22]

good thing to have vets in the lineup, too. Flames were already a super-young team, now lost leadership from Andersson, Kadri and Weegar. Makes sense to bring in the Whiteclouds, Stromes and Maattas to help absorb that a bit and be role models for the younger guys.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by looooob

anyhow the path to the elite talent we all crave is through the race to the bottom sadly- but there are many nice pieces to build around our own firsts in 26, 27 and 28 that are likely the real crown jewels of the rebuild

Let's not forget, this team has drafted Gaudreau, Andersson, Wolf, Wyttenbach, Fox, Pospisil, Brodie as some of its notable picks outside the first round. They've also drafted Reschny and Gridin outside the top 15.

There is potential to find diamonds in the rough - recent history has proven that.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Let's not forget, this team has drafted Gaudreau, Andersson, Wolf, Wyttenbach, Fox, Pospisil, Brodie as some of its notable picks outside the first round. They've also drafted Reschny and Gridin outside the top 15.

There is potential to find diamonds in the rough - recent history has proven that.

oh I totally agree, in fact having an elite team will depend on this (ie 3 consecutive top 5 picks- which I'm sort of predicting) is necessary but not sufficient to hit the next level

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

Unfortunately, there is a salary cap, so teams cannot trade for salary without sending salary back and there's a salary floor, so the Flames have to have veterans in the lineup to ice a legal team

Whitecloud is also an asset that has real value. It’s like getting mad the Flames get another 2nd next deadline

[FlamesAddiction]

I noticed on Puckpedia that it says Curran needs to be signed by June 1, 2026. But in Conroy's presser, he said that Curran is going to UMass next season. I am guessing that him committing to university kyboshes that signing deadline and Puckpedia just hasn't updated?

[sekimet]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Ask them around what time and scan through the CHED archives.

I too want to hear the meltdown over their arch rival refusing to get behind them lol.

It was around the time of my original post, which without going back and looking was around 4pm? It was at the beginning of their oilers hour or whatever they call it.

[1991 Canadian]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

The Flames are paying him $5.08m for him to play for someone else. I'd say that's a pretty crappy deal. Furthermore, it takes away one of the three retention slots for the next three seasons.

How many more players are you expecting the Flames to trade and retain on?

Theyll get the Markstrom and Andersson retain slots back this summer.

After Coleman, who else is left?

At the end of the day, it’s not a good thing to use all 3 slots. And I hope this is the last time for a while where the Flames max them out.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by 1991 Canadian

How many more players are you expecting the Flames to trade and retain on?

Theyll get the Markstrom and Andersson retain slots back this summer.

After Coleman, who else is left?

At the end of the day, it’s not a good thing to use all 3 slots. And I hope this is the last time for a while where the Flames max them out.

Strome and Coleman?

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by 1991 Canadian

How many more players are you expecting the Flames to trade and retain on?

Theyll get the Markstrom and Andersson retain slots back this summer.

After Coleman, who else is left?

At the end of the day, it’s not a good thing to use all 3 slots. And I hope this is the last time for a while where the Flames max them out.

With the new salary cap going up, retain doesnt have the same value it used to

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by 1991 Canadian

How many more players are you expecting the Flames to trade and retain on?

Theyll get the Markstrom and Andersson retain slots back this summer.

After Coleman, who else is left?

At the end of the day, it’s not a good thing to use all 3 slots. And I hope this is the last time for a while where the Flames max them out.

I believe Flames are the first team to use all 3? SJ and NYR used 2

[McG]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

Not a bit at all. Signing a 32 year old to a seven year contract was the big mistake. Imagine the haul if he'd been on a four year deal. Hockey players don't tend to improve once they hit their mid thirties.

I’m not arguing here…but isn’t this exactly what happened? What greater haul were you thinking would happen? As for the money, what would you recommend that the flames use retention slots for besides retention to achieve exactly what you are advocating for?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I noticed on Puckpedia that it says Curran needs to be signed by June 1, 2026. But in Conroy's presser, he said that Curran is going to UMass next season. I am guessing that him committing to university kyboshes that signing deadline and Puckpedia just hasn't updated?

CapWages says they need to sign him by June 1st 2018.

[iloveicedhockey]

Some people embrace being utterly miserable, and I just don't know how they get by.

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by looooob

oh I totally agree, in fact having an elite team will depend on this (ie 3 consecutive top 5 picks- which I'm sort of predicting) is necessary but not sufficient to hit the next level

There's also this scenario:

Vegas wins the Cup this year, turning the 2028 2nd Round Pick into a 1st Round Pick. Vegas crashes out and their 2027 1st Round Pick then shifts to 2029.

Colorado also crashes out, picking top 10 in 2027 pushing their 2028 1st Rounder to Toronto, giving the Flames their 2029 1st Round Pick.

Calgary wins the draft lottery, picking 1st Overall in 2027
Calgary finishes last, but Vegas wins the draft lottery. Calgary picks 1st and 2nd Overall in 2028
Vegas finishes last and Calgary finishes 2nd last and Colorado wins the draft lottery; Calgary picks 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Overall in 2029

Is this likely? Who's to say.