Iran

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

Because it's my preference. I want the culture that I grew up in to be preserved, it aligns with my values and the culture of my family, going back generations.

Our cities are already overflowing, every major road is a car park, people can't get their kids into schools. It's a pretty reasonable position that we don't need every plane flying out of Mumbai to land here to add even more strain to a crumbling system.

I'll ignore the second bit because it's no really related, and debating immigration levels, types, sourcing, are all things that can be discussed reasonably, and some are solutions to those problems with thoughtful governance. But we can't really discuss that when the reason behind it is "I want what is comfortable to me and my personal situation at the exclusion of others also having that."

[WinnipegFan]

May I respectfully request that you take your childish bickering to a thread that is designed for it. Maybe a lefty vs righty kind of thing.

I would rather see more updates, if anyone has any, or actualy discussion of, Iran.

My family is currently safe, a number of bombs have fallen very close to their homes. However it has been more than a day and a half since our last contact.

They had a brief moment of hope when the SL, as they see it, faced his reckoning. They are hopeful that the war will cause real change but fear the cost. When I speak to them they understand that there will be cost, but letting the regime stand has an incredible cost as well. Cost here only referring to human life.

Untenable situation for them. All I do is send them positivity and support. I am not there, I am doing my best to doubt all media. So I listen and offer support, without opinion.

[Fuzz]

Fair enough, wrong thread.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Fair enough, wrong thread.

he is gone now anyway

[renny]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

Show me where I said anything racist.

"Cultural Problems".

That's racist AF. You're literally saying people of other "cultures" are problematic. You need to check yourself. Just because "White Anglo Culture" is so dominant around the world, it doesn't make it better than other cultures.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by WinnipegFan

May I respectfully request that you take your childish bickering to a thread that is designed for it. Maybe a lefty vs righty kind of thing.

I would rather see more updates, if anyone has any, or actualy discussion of, Iran.

My family is currently safe, a number of bombs have fallen very close to their homes. However it has been more than a day and a half since our last contact.

They had a brief moment of hope when the SL, as they see it, faced his reckoning. They are hopeful that the war will cause real change but fear the cost. When I speak to them they understand that there will be cost, but letting the regime stand has an incredible cost as well. Cost here only referring to human life.

Untenable situation for them. All I do is send them positivity and support. I am not there, I am doing my best to doubt all media. So I listen and offer support, without opinion.

All the best to you and your family. Incredibly scary situation there, I can’t imagine what it would be like to be living there.

[Drak]

Looks like 150 - 175 school girls were killed in that school bombing by Trump and Hegseth.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Drak

Looks like 150 - 175 school girls were killed in that school bombing by Trump and Hegseth.

You mean by “the good team”

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You mean by “the good team”

Very unfortunate. What would an appropriate adjective be for the team that kills 30,000 of its own members?

[Mathgod]

It's entirely possible that more than one bad team exists.

[Manhattanboy]

Still think we should merge the two threads.

I heard a number today that there are at least 50,000 protesters from January currently imprisoned by the regime without trial.

EDIT. Unverified but relayed by a former prisoner.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Very unfortunate. What would an appropriate adjective be for the team that kills 30,000 of its own members?

Probably the same adjective we’d use for the team that killed 70,000.

It’s almost like killing innocent people is… bad.

[Doctorfever]

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/trump-says...233107741.html

President Donald Trump said Thursday Iran’s navy and air force are “gone” and suggested Tehran’s leaders are ready to make a deal. Trump also urged Iran’s Revolutionary Guard, military and police to lay down their arms, vowing “total immunity" from the U.S.

Are the allied forces that close to victory that they think the Iran military will accept this?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/trump-says...233107741.html



Are the allied forces that close to victory that they think the Iran military will accept this?

Iran didn't have much of an air force, navy or air defence to start with. Their only realistic response was to spew ballistic missiles at its neighbours. It may have depleted much of those in the previous conflict with Israel and might not have many left. In any event, without any kind of air defence in the way, the US can hammer the launch sites making missile stockpiles pretty useless.

The question becomes is the Iranian military going to transition from a comfy relatively modern life into a guerilla style warfare and fight it out.

The Iranian army is also split into separate branches. There is the traditional army, which existed before the Ayatollahs. They are relatively secular in formation and may not actually support the Ayatollahs anymore. There is also the IRGC. The IRGC is a creation of the Ayatollahs and similar to the Gestapo. They are tasked with ensuring the Ayatollahs stay in power. They police both the population (in addition to the police force that isn't a traditional police force but also a paramilitary group) and the regular army. They have about 100k members but also have spies throughout regular parts of society and command larger volunteer based paramilitaries.

If Trump can convince the regular army to turn on the IRGC, it would mean the end of the regime.

That being said, Trump is a fool. And it's 100% on brand for him to just make an ultimatum that's totally detached from reality. It's extremely difficult to figure out what's actually going on in Iran. So who knows if he's anywhere close to actual success.