Big Brother 8 (no spoilers): House of 14

[albertGQ]

I think the America's Player idea is a dumb idea. I hope next year they get rid of it. These "twists" are good, but I think its unfair how only some of the guests are affected, not all of them (Ex-factor being an example as well)

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by liamenator

Count me as one of the ED faithful. I find that he really is the only player who realizes that the rules of real life do not apply in the house, it is it's own entity entirely, and thus the lines of appropriate/inappropriate social behaviour are a lot murkier.

His strategy may not be the best, as it certainly looks like his time is up, barring a miracle... But man has it been entertaining. He has systematically hunted almost every person in the house and taken them down in one way or another... He has rattled every single player he has set out to and although the results don't necessarily show immediately, he plants the seeds that do damage in the future. For instance, the Eric/Amber situation will likely blow up again very soon; and he is definitely setting things up quite nicely for Danielle and her allies to have a fighting chance - exposing the lies and manipulation within the LNC... By the time he is done, the nerd herd will be beaten almost into submission. They will eat themselves alive (hopefully).

He is also far and away has been the best player at reading the game and the different situation/controversies that have arisen. Really the only mistake he has made was last week's elimination, and unfortunately for us viewers, and CBS, he will be out because of it.

It would have been interesting to see how Dick would have faired without the Danielle distraction that has put him at a huge disadvantage the entire game.

The biggest mistake he has made is that he has made an enemy to everyone in the house. The rules governing social ediquette apply in the house. You need to be liked by a certain amount of people to stay in the game and to win it.

[metallicat]

Highlight:

America is so stupid. Why would Eric give Jessica the silent treatment? Plain idiotic.

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by liamenator

Count me as one of the ED faithful. I find that he really is the only player who realizes that the rules of real life do not apply in the house, it is it's own entity entirely, and thus the lines of appropriate/inappropriate social behaviour are a lot murkier.

I'm sorry but he's gone far over the line no matter how murky it is. Threatening to anally rape people until they bleed to death is way too far even in a reality tv world.

His strategy may not be the best, as it certainly looks like his time is up, barring a miracle... But man has it been entertaining. He has systematically hunted almost every person in the house and taken them down in one way or another...

Except Zach, Nick and Mike i.e. the guys who could kick the living crap out of him if he pushes them too far. Instead he goes after women, runts and nancy boys.

I don't think he's really taken down anyone but Kail. I have to laugh when he threatened to choke Jen with his penis and she responded, "with that little thing?".

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

Highlight:

America is so stupid. Why would Eric give Jessica the silent treatment? Plain idiotic.

Response to highlight:

Because America hates Eric and wants to make it as hard for him as possible.

[liamenator]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

The biggest mistake he has made is that he has made an enemy to everyone in the house. The rules governing social ediquette apply in the house. You need to be liked by a certain amount of people to stay in the game and to win it.

Obviously now that he is nominated beside his daughter he is pulling out all the stops, trying to get himself eliminated and admitting as much. He came straight out and said "my goal this week is to make people hate me so much there is no way they won't vote me out so that Danielle can stay."

I was referring to his conduct prior to this week's nominations. Because up to that point, despite all his antics, I don't think any of the relationships he had strained were beyond repair. Just look how he made up with Jen.

And no, the rules governing social etiquitte do not apply. The goal is to manipulate everyone around you better than they manipulate you, turning them all against each other so that you will emerge as the last one standing. I'm not sure where you come from, but my life sure as hell isn't like that. Dick understands that aspect of the game better than anyone. He realizes that you can push people around but in the end, they will always choose self-preservation over the moral high ground in this game. So when Jen saw that she had no option to stay alive other than to hitch her star to the Dick/Danielle wagon, she got over it. Kail was about to do the same before she got eliminated.

Like I said, if he wasn't choosing the noble route, sacrificing himself, I think there is no way he gets eliminated this early, he would have managed to continue to build and break alliances as he saw fit from week to week, as he has done up to this point.

[Kipper3256]

More Spoilers:

Dick uses Veto on Danielle. Jessica put up Dustin along with Dick on the block.

[liamenator]

Originally Posted by GreenTeaFrapp

I'm sorry but he's gone far over the line no matter how murky it is. Threatening to anally rape people until they bleed to death is way too far even in a reality tv world.

I do agree he has gone too far from time to time, but on the whole I think he has done a masterful job of rattling people and taking them off their game.

Originally Posted by GreenTeaFrapp

Except Zach, Nick and Mike i.e. the guys who could kick the living crap out of him if he pushes them too far. Instead he goes after women, runts and nancy boys.

I don't think he's really taken down anyone but Kail. I have to laugh when he threatened to choke Jen with his penis and she responded, "with that little thing?".

He hasn't attempted to hunt Zach because Zach is the biggest joke of a player in the game, and Dick realized that early on. He is a puppet to whomever shows interest in being his friend.

He was one of the major spearheads in the movement to get Nick out, he just chose to do it covertly and with others as opposed to overtly and on his own. And while that was clearly a mistake to us viewers, who have the benefit of knowing both that Eric is America's player (and thus the missing votes) as well as how genuine Nick was in wishing to ally with D/D, I think it's a hard move to criticize from Dick's Point of View. As far as he was concerned, Nick did appear the most likely to have cast the missing votes, not to mention the distraction his relationship with Danielle was causing both for Danielle and for Dick. I would have wanted him out, too.

And Mike's elimination was clearly a result of Dick coming straight out and saying "you just crossed me and that was a serious mistake dude, and you are going to be gone because of it." And he got the entire house to agree with him.

So really, he took down all 3.

The only one of his major targets to escape has been Jen, with whom he has made up anyway.

Eric didn't get voted out last week but the damage Dick did to his game is immeasurable, and he will almost absolutely be the first of the LNC to be eliminated.

He completely destroyed Amber's emotional state (shakey to begin with) and guaranteed her game is going to suffer because of it. She is already making poor decisions as a result of being a basket case.

He has exposed the witchy side of Jameka, causing her to lose the level-headedness and neutrality she had clung to from the start, which will probably rub people the wrong way- not necessarily right now, but somewhere down the line (i.e. her calling his mother a btch).

He hasn't gone directly after Jessica, and do you think it's a coincidence that her position in the game has benefitted concurrently? I don't. She doesn't have to deal with drama and has been able to make smart decisions. But he did have her on the brink of breaking her alliance with Eric last week... and the fact he even came close to doing that is a pretty big feat in my eyes, considering how close those 2 have become.

He is clearly intimidating Dustin as well, though I think that Dustin is probably the next strongest player left in the game and that is why Dick has had trouble with him.

Basically, I think that Dick has been the star and the show will suffer greatly with him out of the house. And not just because of the superficial "entertainment value" of his outbursts to the casual viewer, but because he has without a doubt had the largest impact on the game itself, and really has been closer to the puppetmaster figure than anyone else. I think CBS realizes this, and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if Big Brother tried to do some subversive manipulation in the Diary Room the rest of the week.

[metallicat]

Originally Posted by GreenTeaFrapp

Response to highlight:

Because America hates Eric and wants to make it as hard for him as possible.

I hate the little weasel as well, but their choice for this silent treatment is dumb at best.

[metallicat]

Originally Posted by Kipper3256

More Spoilers:

Dick uses Veto on Danielle. Jessica put up Dustin along with Dick on the block.

Did Dustin know this was coming?

[liamenator]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

Did Dustin know this was coming?

I believe he did. As far as I can tell, the agreement was for Jessica to nominate Dustin if Dick stayed up (whom he felt comfortable to be up against), and Jen if Danielle stayed up (whom he was far less comfortable facing).

[hah]

I think Dustin will be voted out if Danelle, Zach Jen and Americas player Eric vote him out, thisd willshift the balance in the house.

[OILFAN #81]

My thoughts in white/spoilers:



As was mentioned, Dick saved Danielle with the veto and Dustin was put up as the nominee. Dick, Dustin and Jessica cannot vote this week so there will be 6 votes cast. This is how I see it:

Jameka: votes to evict Dick
Amber: votes to evict Dick
Danielle: votes to evict Dustin
Jen: votes to evict Dustin
Zach: votes to evict Dustin

This brings us to Eric (America's player). America will vote to evict Dustin so if Eric chooses to go along with this then Dustin will be evicted 4-2. If Eric rejects this proposal from America then it will be 3-3 and Jessica will cast the deciding vote. I really hope Eric goes along with America's vote thinking Jen or Zach will vote to evict Dick. That would be awesome if Dustin was evicted this week! Jessica/Jameka wouldn't be able to compete next week in the HOH competition either virtually leaving Eric/Amber vs Dick/Danielle/Jen/Zach in the competition. I love it. Come on Eric, accept America's decision and get Dustin out!

[metallicat]

Originally Posted by hah

I think Dustin will be voted out if Danelle, Zach Jen and Americas player Eric vote him out, thisd willshift the balance in the house.

If Eric is dumb enough to go along with such a choice by America, that whole team deserves to be systematically voted out. How many times should Will and that other guy been voted out last year? They need to get Dick out while they have the opportunity.

[metallicat]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

My thoughts in white/spoilers:



As was mentioned, Dick saved Danielle with the veto and Dustin was put up as the nominee. Dick, Dustin and Jessica cannot vote this week so there will be 6 votes cast. This is how I see it:

Jameka: votes to evict Dick
Amber: votes to evict Dick
Danielle: votes to evict Dustin
Jen: votes to evict Dustin
Zach: votes to evict Dustin

This brings us to Eric (America's player). America will vote to evict Dustin so if Eric chooses to go along with this then Dustin will be evicted 4-2. If Eric rejects this proposal from America then it will be 3-3 and Jessica will cast the deciding vote. I really hope Eric goes along with America's vote thinking Jen or Zach will vote to evict Dick. That would be awesome if Dustin was evicted this week! Jessica/Jameka wouldn't be able to compete next week in the HOH competition either virtually leaving Eric/Amber vs Dick/Danielle/Jen/Zach in the competition. I love it. Come on Eric, accept America's decision and get Dustin out!

I don't like Dustin either, and while I enjoy the fighting that Dick brings to the table, he has completely crossed the line. Sending Dustin packing this week would be moronic for Team Jessica.

[liamenator]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

My thoughts in white/spoilers:



As was mentioned, Dick saved Danielle with the veto and Dustin was put up as the nominee. Dick, Dustin and Jessica cannot vote this week so there will be 6 votes cast. This is how I see it:

Jameka: votes to evict Dick
Amber: votes to evict Dick
Danielle: votes to evict Dustin
Jen: votes to evict Dustin
Zach: votes to evict Dustin

This brings us to Eric (America's player). America will vote to evict Dustin so if Eric chooses to go along with this then Dustin will be evicted 4-2. If Eric rejects this proposal from America then it will be 3-3 and Jessica will cast the deciding vote. I really hope Eric goes along with America's vote thinking Jen or Zach will vote to evict Dick. That would be awesome if Dustin was evicted this week! Jessica/Jameka wouldn't be able to compete next week in the HOH competition either virtually leaving Eric/Amber vs Dick/Danielle/Jen/Zach in the competition. I love it. Come on Eric, accept America's decision and get Dustin out!

I agree, your thoughts are bang on... On paper and for us viewers. Herein lies the problem, though: I think the wildcard is Zach in all this. He is really the only vote that I can see being swayed, but I can see the LNC swaying him. He has proven to be remarkabley easy to win over in the past, and, looking at it from his point of view, it would probably be a good choice to abandon the (what appears to be) sinking Dick/Danielle ship.

We have to remember he has no idea that Eric is America's player and so there is no way Zach can think he would ever vote to keep Dick in the house. Thus, if he has any brains at all, he will realize that with: Amber, Jameka & Eric, the worst the LNC can get is a tie, in which Jessica will break and eliminate Dick. So if you are Zach, and you have no reason to believe the Danielle/Jen vote has any hope even if you vote with them, and you are desperate to win people over, I think you have to tell the LNC you'll vote with them, positioning yourself for the rest of the game.

It's a shame, but I think that scenario is bound to happen. If only someone could TELL HIM!

[Barnes]

Gah... Why don't we just make this a spoiler thread?

[Machiavelli]

Can Eric really choose to not vote America's way? From previous episodes, it seems that Julie automatically assumes his vote without even asking him.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by liamenator

Obviously now that he is nominated beside his daughter he is pulling out all the stops, trying to get himself eliminated and admitting as much. He came straight out and said "my goal this week is to make people hate me so much there is no way they won't vote me out so that Danielle can stay."

I was referring to his conduct prior to this week's nominations. Because up to that point, despite all his antics, I don't think any of the relationships he had strained were beyond repair. Just look how he made up with Jen.

And no, the rules governing social etiquitte do not apply. The goal is to manipulate everyone around you better than they manipulate you, turning them all against each other so that you will emerge as the last one standing. I'm not sure where you come from, but my life sure as hell isn't like that. Dick understands that aspect of the game better than anyone. He realizes that you can push people around but in the end, they will always choose self-preservation over the moral high ground in this game. So when Jen saw that she had no option to stay alive other than to hitch her star to the Dick/Danielle wagon, she got over it. Kail was about to do the same before she got eliminated.

Like I said, if he wasn't choosing the noble route, sacrificing himself, I think there is no way he gets eliminated this early, he would have managed to continue to build and break alliances as he saw fit from week to week, as he has done up to this point.

I agree with you that he is very good a manipulating the other people....that is defenitly part of the game. However, you need to do that with out them knowing and you still have to treat people with respect, especially with the ones that will decide who is the final winner I don't agree that he has done that with most of the players in the house. I didn't mind dick up until he poured the glass of juice on jens head. That was totally uncalled for and very disrespectful. If he had done that to me I probably would have punched him out.

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by liamenator

He hasn't attempted to hunt Zach because Zach is the biggest joke of a player in the game, and Dick realized that early on. He is a puppet to whomever shows interest in being his friend.

Kail was pretty much the same but he still went after her.

And Mike's elimination was clearly a result of Dick coming straight out and saying "you just crossed me and that was a serious mistake dude, and you are going to be gone because of it." And he got the entire house to agree with him.

He didn't need to get them to agree with him. They all knew that Mike was a far bigger threat down the line then Kail. And he never went off on Mike, he just put him up because Mike dared to challenge Dick.

He completely destroyed Amber's emotional state (shakey to begin with) and guaranteed her game is going to suffer because of it. She is already making poor decisions as a result of being a basket case.

She was a basket case before she even got in the house. And her poor decisions might just be because she's so dumb that Cowboy from BB5 could outwit her.