That's why I put a "maybe" in there. It is in any case the best estimate we have, and centrifuges are hardly peak scifi tech to begin with.
If I start that entence with "it's unclear what effect the bombing campaign had, but experts estimate...", do you feel like that makes a significant difference?
Also, we really should begin with the fact that we don't even know wtf Fordo was all about. It seems extremely convenient that the western public is given the name of exactly one place we're told is Very Special but needs the US to get involved, then That One Place is hit and it's now "mission accomplished". Extremely basic media literacy should tell you that if the narrative is that clean and simple, it's probably covered in at least some amount of BS.
Not that any of that really changes anything.
"It is unclear whether the campaign made it more likely that Iran will eventually nuke up, or less" is really the factually accurate summary that matters.
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Pointman, I sympathize with you, I really do. I don't think k you're a bad person or dumb. What little I know about you makes it very easy to understand why you can't think straight when it comes to any of this.
But it's still very obvious that you can't think straight about any of this, and you clearly consume more than a healthy amount of propaganda. Which again is very understandable.
But still, there is clearly no point in debating with you.
How comes it is not clear? Is a country with nuclear facilities in tact more or less likely to produce a nuke than a country with nuclear facilities bombed out? Do you imply, that those facilities were a net negative?
I neither consume nor post propaganda. Everything I post is either a fact or some straight - forward common sense logic. In fact, what I post about Gaza civilians is quite similar to what you posted about Russian civilians.
So... Gazans are Arabs ethnically. There are 2 millions Arabs living in Israel and nobody's killing them. So it's not about ethnicity. Therefore it's not about race either. Most of those Israeli Arabs are Muslim. So it is not about religion. So, it is not genocide.. It's a war. Release the hostages and it will stop.
Brawl erupts at Jerusalem’s Cinema City, racist slogans shouted
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A large-scale brawl unfolded late Saturday night into Sunday morning at Cinema City in Jerusalem, involving dozens of Jewish teenagers and Arab cafeteria workers, Israeli media reported Saturday night.
Footage from the scene captures the teenagers rioting, throwing objects at food counter staff, and shouting "Death to Arabs."
The U.S. and Israel launched an attack Saturday on Iran, with the first apparent strike happening near the offices of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.
Iranian media reported strikes nationwide, and smoke could be seen rising from the capital.
U.S. President Donald Trump said in a video posted on social media that the U.S. had begun "major combat operations in Iran."
Prime Minister Mark Carney backed U.S. air strikes on Iran, saying Tehran is the main source of instability in the Middle East and must never be allowed to possess nuclear weapons.
“Canada supports the United States acting to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon and to prevent its regime from further threatening international peace and security,” the Prime Minister said in a joint statement with Foreign Affairs Minister Anita Anand Saturday from Canada’s trade mission to India.
“Canada’s position remains clear: the Islamic Republic of Iran is the principal source of instability and terror throughout the Middle East, has one of the world’s worst human rights records, and must never be allowed to obtain or develop nuclear weapons,” the Prime Minister said.
“Canada supports the United States acting to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon and to prevent its regime from further threatening international peace and security,” he said.
It's a shame Carney fell into the nonsense line that been repeated for 45 years now, that Iran is so close to a nuclear weapon that we need to act on it. They were in the middle of negotiations, by all known comments making progress on it, so why now? Oh ya, Epstein.
