Why would their be new trade barriers? Are these provinces not seeing Trump? No politician should talk about tariffs and trade barriers for a generation after Trump haha
Where are these companies going to? Do they hate paying provinces more money instead of the feds? Why would they care in the slightest.
Well I literally explained this to you in my post in anticipation of this response. So I'll try again more slowly
Quebec showed us, the threat of separation can drive companies like CP and BMO out. You do know that there are non O&G companies contributing to Alberta's economy right? You do know that oil companies can move the majority of their employees, wages, incomes, sales.... out without moving their operations out right? you've been on this board saying ridiculously naive things for days, so you must at this point on some level comprehend that more than 1 thing happens daily in this province. Tiny, and low population land locked countries with governments that dont listen to their populous are not all that attractive for business stability.
As the UK showed us, when you leave an economic union, there are new and sometimes unexpected trade barriers. Even without taxes, I used the word trade barrier very thoughtfully. You will need extra paperwork, and customs brokers, customs agents... it will just be hard and extra logistics costs added to everything. And we will literally only have direct access to 5% of the worlds population without even more complexity and paperwork and friction added to supply chains, by crossing more than 1 boarder. By many estimates the UK has been set back by £100B annually, and have 0 of the intermediate trade barriers we should expect to have getting what they trade out to non-neighboring countries (they also are not setup as a resource economy, so just less trade friction in general).
Men with their heads in the clouds really need to learn to look our for wells.
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Yes, provinces were created because no one could agree on the best course on things when it was a million people hunkered around the St Lawrence. Even back then, they were #### that guy. I don't want them deciding things for me haha.
They then gave those provinces the constitutional control over all of the important things a government does. Health/Education/Infrastructure. That's all I care about. I would absolutely shred to pieces everything else on the budget. Defense, monetary and trade delegations of course are important but countries a tenth of the size of Canada seem to handle those just fine
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My MP wished me happy birthday. We've been in several different non-profit groups together. We know the same people, we go to the same events.
I've never met my MLA and I've never even seen a federal Liberal MLA in person. Which I've never really thought about before but I think it may be true haha.
This is transposition is kinda funny.
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For no reason at all I have recently been thinking about the quote "You cannot reason someone out of a position that they did not reason themselves into"
Well I literally explained this to you in my post in anticipation of this response. So I'll try again more slowly
Quebec showed us, the threat of separation can drive companies like CP and BMO out. You do know that there are non O&G companies contributing to Alberta's economy right? You do know that oil companies can move the majority of their employees, wages, incomes, sales.... out without moving their operations out right? you've been on this board saying ridiculously naive things for days, so you must at this point on some level comprehend that more than 1 thing happens daily in this province. Tiny, and low population land locked countries with governments that dont listen to their populous are not all that attractive for business stability.
As the UK showed us, when you leave an economic union, there are new and sometimes unexpected trade barriers. Even without taxes, I used the word trade barrier very thoughtfully. You will need extra paperwork, and customs brokers, customs agents... it will just be hard and extra logistics costs added to everything. And we will literally only have direct access to 5% of the worlds population without even more complexity and paperwork and friction added to supply chains, by crossing more than 1 boarder. By many estimates the UK has been set back by £100B annually, and have 0 of the intermediate trade barriers we should expect to have getting what they trade out to non-neighboring countries (they also are not setup as a resource economy, so just less trade friction in general).
Men with their heads in the clouds really need to learn to look our for wells.
I hadn't thought of the trade, but ya, Alberta would kinda have no choice but to join CUSMA, and if they got all Danielle Smith about the negotiations, they could get ignored pretty quickly and left with being forced to negotiate individual deals. What motivation would Canada have to help out Alberta? #### all, I would think.
I hadn't thought of the trade, but ya, Alberta would kinda have no choice but to join CUSMA, and if they got all Danielle Smith about the negotiations, they could get ignored pretty quickly and left with being forced to negotiate individual deals. What motivation would Canada have to help out Alberta? #### all, I would think.
See I'm thinking as the commodities trader I have been in my career, and not necessarily assuming Canada would go after Alberta with taxes, because of the distruptions it could cause their own supply chains. But I know the first few weeks of brexit were very difficult for transport, and that for any buyer all things being equal you buy domestic, because of the extra time/work/friction in crossing boarders.
That brings up the interesting point I haven't heard discussed...CP Rail. If they think negotiating with Canada is going to be a struggle, they've never interacted with CP. Their rail corridors and land have special status, and they aren't known for wanting to change anything around that, ever.
Companies are going to go where all of the systems of trade, employment, currency, courts are the same as they were before. Who wants to deal with all of what being a new country entails?
I swear, nobody on the pro-separate side looks at any of these details. They have this illusion like it’s like some clean amicable break and we’re suddenly just not paying federal taxes anymore but everything stays the same.
This can't be a serious response can it haha. . I literally just finished explaining how wild it is that people are arguing against things I wasn't even talking about. Like I just finished explaining how I would change Canada, how it wouldn't even require constitutional changes and I get "err, separatism is bad"
I guess cutting supports for the most vulnerable in society was worth the tax cuts and payouts to coal companies. Just ####ing monstrous stuff that will save so little money I can't even imagine how they spotted it on a balance sheet.
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disability advocacy group in Calgary is shutting its doors this week — one year after the Alberta government axed its funding.
For 28 years, Disability Action Hall has given disabled Calgarians a place to connect, share their stories and fight for change.
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“It’s a necessity. It’s an essential service. It’s no different than providing one-to-one support for persons with disabilities,” she said.
A Calgarian living with terminal cancer is calling on health officials in the province to restore access to an after-hours specialist phone line for cancer patients in southern Alberta.
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"I don't have years and years and years ahead of me. I'm going on chemo for life now. My life is much shorter,” she said.
“The last place I want to be is in the hospital because I couldn't get access to an oncologist on call."
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"We know this will lead to more pressure on our emergency rooms. But it will also create more gaps in cancer care, more stress for patients.”
Gallaway said he believes the provincial government should be prioritizing services that could take pressure off overwhelmed ERs.
“Every program that we can do that keeps someone out of an emergency waiting room we should be doing right now," said Gallaway.
I've relied on this service in the past, and it absolutely kept us from going to the ER.
I hope you UCP voters remember stuff like this the next time you are in a voting booth. Keep in mind the image of a disabled person you are making life harder for, and the people dying of Cancer who have to take on another stressor. Consider that before the tax cut, if you possess a soul at all. Think what Jesus might do. I don't give a ####, just don't tick that mother####ing box.
What are we even doing anymore as a society? Just nauseating.
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No. What we need is for the provinces to work with the Federal government instead of picking a fight with them. If the country wants to move toward universal heathcare / dental care / pharma care / whatever care, it is not the role of the provincial governments to fight the program.
For example, the Feds moving ahead with the daycare program and Alberta decides to fight against it instead of implementing it then Alberta gets less money. Smith cries about how she should get the money with no strings attached so she can spend it on other stuff and leave the citizens of Alberta without this daycare program that is being implemented everywhere else. Thus we end up not getting this funding for months/years and then the UCP point to how we are getting less money to rile up the dummies who are not aware that it is actually the UCP's fault. They rage at "Ottawa" when they should be raging at the incompetence (or the intentional neglect) of the UCP.
I do not want any of those things. Hell this whole argument started by me saying there should be a rule that any federal spending on provincial jurisdiction should be able to turned down and the province gets full compensation. At no point have I been, hmm you know what our healthcare needs. Decision makers from Ottawa making decisions centered around the GTA that would then be forced on Alberta. That would somehow fix things.
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Cool story bro. I would bet that if you polled the population you would find that you have more access than 99% of the population. Imagine if 50,000+ people had that kind of access to the councilor, or the MLA, or the MP. It is unsustainable. The only way to give everyone that amount of access would be to have a bigger government with each representative covering a smaller number of people.
You can go on facebook and talk to your city councilors. You can go to weekly meetings. Farkas is on reddit.
There's tons of events each year that you can meet these people at. Pretty much any charity/fund/sponsorship will have one of them at it. They live in your neighborhood, half of them are small business owners. I've met loads of them just through work and a few causes I like.
There's 34 MPs, 87 MLAs, and hundreds of councilors/mayors and your MP is likely 3000kms away most of the year. The disparity in access is gigantic.
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I am glad we agree on Electoral Reform. I do not agree with a regional based senate but I do think senate reform is required and should likely start with it being an elected position with finite terms. The job of the Senate should be to implement what is best for all, not what is best for "my people" or "my region". There may be some differences in the requirements of the different regions, but they are not that drastically different.
You keep trying to create these wedges where you think "other" groups want things that you do not. It is far more likely that people who live in Ontario want most of the same things that you do:
- Best in world health care that increases Canadian's quality and length of life
- Best in world Education to empower our future generations to greater things than our past generations accomplished
- A culture that embraces progress and advancements so that we can lead the world in food / environment / energy / science and all of our people feel safe and respected
- Infrastructure delivered in a reliable and cost effective way (roads, transit, water, power, internet, etc)
- Perhaps some forward thinking things Universal Basic Income to soften the blow to society as AI takes over increasing sectors of the workforce.
- Other social programs and safety nets.
In each of the foundational issues, you likely want the exact same things as every other Canadian, or every other person in the world. With the exception being the Conservatives and Corporatists who actually do not want these things because it interferes with their desire to accumulate power and wealth.
The entire UCP agenda in Alberta is to destroy these public services you claim to be most interested in. They want people dumb, broke, and stressed out to the point that they cannot put up a fight as they take away our rights and freedoms. They want people like you to cry about Federal taxes and fighting Ottawa instead of pointing at their corruption and how they are actively stealing your money to give to coal companies or MHCare.
In short, you seem to be buying into the Culture War instead of focusing on the Class War. Some of what you say makes me think you want to be in on the Class War, but then you get distracted by the noise of proximity or region and trying to make conflict with other regular people that you should be aligned with.
Every large country has regional based second houses. It's a borderline stereotype. Smaller areas love it, more populated places hate it. One thing they agree on is that those regional disparities do reflect different politics. That's just a given. Like ####, our whole federal politics for a generation has been dominated by Liberals as the default central Canada and then two regional parties in Reform and Bloc. You can pretend that region, economics, demographics, industry, ect do not effect politics but thats just naive. People are a product of their environment and will behave accordingly. Shocking two provinces on different sides of a continent with different histories, economies, and goals want different things. That shouldn't be a bold statement, it is a undeniable fact
Need that second senate house to just hammer on the PMO. Really grind things to a hault. Legislative efficiency in a top down society is not a virtue. It's a risk.
If we agree with 90% of Ontario, that's great. We can copy eachother. If we don't agree, I do not want to follow them. I see zero benefit in following them blindly and I do not want them in charge of how the money gets dispersed.
I do not want any of those things. Hell this whole argument started by me saying there should be a rule that any federal spending on provincial jurisdiction should be able to turned down and the province gets full compensation. At no point have I been, hmm you know what our healthcare needs. Decision makers from Ottawa making decisions centered around the GTA that would then be forced on Alberta. That would somehow fix things.
You can go on facebook and talk to your city councilors. You can go to weekly meetings. Farkas is on reddit.
There's tons of events each year that you can meet these people at. Pretty much any charity/fund/sponsorship will have one of them at it. They live in your neighborhood, half of them are small business owners. I've met loads of them just through work and a few causes I like.
There's 34 MPs, 87 MLAs, and hundreds of councilors/mayors and your MP is likely 3000kms away most of the year. The disparity in access is gigantic.
Every large country has regional based second houses. It's a borderline stereotype. Smaller areas love it, more populated places hate it. One thing they agree on is that those regional disparities do reflect different politics. That's just a given. Like ####, our whole federal politics for a generation has been dominated by Liberals as the default central Canada and then two regional parties in Reform and Bloc. You can pretend that region, economics, demographics, industry, ect do not effect politics but thats just naive. People are a product of their environment and will behave accordingly. Shocking two provinces on different sides of a continent with different histories, economies, and goals want different things.
Need that second senate house to just hammer on the PM. Really grind things to a hault. Legislative efficiency in a top down society is not a virtue. It's a risk.
If we agree with 90% of Ontario, that's great. We can copy eachother. If we don't agree, I do not want to follow them. I see zero benefit in following them blindly and I do not want them in charge of how the money gets dispersed.
Well-argued, succinct, and persuasive. Are you done now?
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That brings up the interesting point I haven't heard discussed...CP Rail. If they think negotiating with Canada is going to be a struggle, they've never interacted with CP. Their rail corridors and land have special status, and they aren't known for wanting to change anything around that, ever.
Would CP rail keep the HQ in an independent Alberta or would they relocate to another province so that they could remain in Canada?
For that matter we should go down the path of evaluating which companies would remain in Alberta and which ones would relocate. When Quebec was threatening to pull out of Canada, the capital markets and investment community punished the province with an exodus of companies and employment opportunities to more stable jurisdictions.
Doctors, nurses and teachers would have opportunities to leave for other provinces who would be wise to run “we are calling” campaigns.
This can't be a serious response can it haha. . I literally just finished explaining how wild it is that people are arguing against things I wasn't even talking about. Like I just finished explaining how I would change Canada, how it wouldn't even require constitutional changes and I get "err, separatism is bad"
Okay then, good point
Are you short-circuiting or something?
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Was looking on the Water not Coal website last night and there is already 323 signing events just this week. Going to blow the 177k signature requirement out of the water.
PS if anyone wants to sign that petition to ban coal mining on the Eastern slopes of the Rockies and is near Mount Pleasant/Tuxedo inner NW part of the city, I am signed up as a signature collector. Send me a PM.
I am also a signature collector...for anyone in and around Cochrane wanting to sign feel free to PM me as well.
Would CP rail keep the HQ in an independent Alberta or would they relocate to another province so that they could remain in Canada?
I wouldn't be surprised at all if it ever came to the point where CPKC decided to move their HQ out of Calgary it would be down to the US and maybe go to KC where the US HQ/Operations are already located.
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