Obama Campaign is Crashing and Burning

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

How does this lose him votes? Few Yanks know the difference, or care.

He's better than Clinton. My buddy, Warren Buffett, supports him. That's a great endorsement.

Clinton has a huge lead right now. If Obama starts making a comeback her campaign team will make him pay for gaffes like that. Make him look like he has no idea what he is doing.

And it will cost him.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

This is ridiculous. The Pakistan thing, whatever, but this "gaffe" is, for lack of a better term, nothing. It doesn't mean anything. At all.

The current sitting, two term President mis-speaks all the time. They write books about it ferchrissakes. I have a goddamn talking George Bush doll that does nothing but spout some of the dumb things he's said over the years. Things a lot dumber than this.

I don't know if this guy is going to be President, but if he's not, I seriously doubt anyone in that country is going to say "well, the American people just couldn't in good conscious vote for a guy who said Canada has a President".

Nail in the coffin indeed.

You are right. Very, minor in the whole scheme of things. But Clinton's war machine won't let it go by.

She made him look like a neophyte in the debate on foreign policy.
He tries to be hawkish and bomb Pakistan
Wants to call the Canadian President to renegotiate the Free Trade Deal

1,2,3.....

[sadora]

Originally Posted by Azure

Yeah, sad really.

But its not like Hillary is doing any better. First she'll take nukes off the table...then she won't rule out using nukes. Which is it?

I think Obamas inexperience is really coming to the fore-front. Especially with his 'military action against Pakistan' comment. Too bad...if Hillary wins the primaries...the Republicans win the election.

unfortunately I think the stupid republicans have a better chance at winning this thing again...I don't think most americans are ready to have either a black or female president. it's good to see the Democrats being progressive in that respect but they can't really expect to win.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by sadora

unfortunately I think the stupid republicans have a better chance at winning this thing again...I don't think most americans are ready to have either a black or female president. it's good to see the Democrats being progressive in that respect but they can't really expect to win.

Bah, I hate that rationale. If Clinton or Obama lose this next election, it will strictly be based along the fact they didn't run successful campaigns, not because Americans are so backward as to reject a woman or a black man (also a Muslim). American voters show themselves very open to voting for both such "groups".

Funny how Canadians can't really seem to get up the guts to vote for anything but a white, upper-class man.

[Displaced Flames fan]

I wish J.C. Watts would get back in the game and run for President so I can stop being called a racist because I lean right.

Republican does not equal racist.

Sheesh.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by peter12

Bah, I hate that rationale. If Clinton or Obama lose this next election, it will strictly be based along the fact they didn't run successful campaigns, not because Americans are so backward as to reject a woman or a black man (also a Muslim). American voters show themselves very open to voting for both such "groups".

Funny how Canadians can't really seem to get up the guts to vote for anything but a white, upper-class man.

Obama is not Muslim:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

A theme of Obama's keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention, and the title of his 2006 book, The Audacity of Hope, was inspired by his pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright.[146] In Chapter 6 of the book, titled "Faith," Obama writes that he "was not raised in a religious household." He describes his mother, raised by non-religious parents, as detached from religion, yet "in many ways the most spiritually awakened person that I have ever known." He describes his Kenyan father as "raised a Muslim," but a "confirmed atheist" by the time his parents met, and his Indonesian step-father as "a man who saw religion as not particularly useful." The chapter details how Obama, in his twenties, while working with local churches as a community organizer, came to understand "the power of the African American religious tradition to spur social change." Obama writes: "It was because of these newfound understandings—that religious commitment did not require me to suspend critical thinking, disengage from the battle for economic and social justice, or otherwise retreat from the world that I knew and loved—that I was finally able to walk down the aisle of Trinity United Church of Christ one day and be baptized.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by troutman

Obama is not Muslim:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

A theme of Obama's keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention, and the title of his 2006 book, The Audacity of Hope, was inspired by his pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright.[146] In Chapter 6 of the book, titled "Faith," Obama writes that he "was not raised in a religious household." He describes his mother, raised by non-religious parents, as detached from religion, yet "in many ways the most spiritually awakened person that I have ever known." He describes his Kenyan father as "raised a Muslim," but a "confirmed atheist" by the time his parents met, and his Indonesian step-father as "a man who saw religion as not particularly useful." The chapter details how Obama, in his twenties, while working with local churches as a community organizer, came to understand "the power of the African American religious tradition to spur social change." Obama writes: "It was because of these newfound understandings—that religious commitment did not require me to suspend critical thinking, disengage from the battle for economic and social justice, or otherwise retreat from the world that I knew and loved—that I was finally able to walk down the aisle of Trinity United Church of Christ one day and be baptized.

Whoops!

[sadora]

Originally Posted by peter12

Funny how Canadians can't really seem to get up the guts to vote for anything but a white, upper-class man.

Perhaps you could remind me, but in the past elections, say in the last 10 years, when have the major parties run anything but a white, upper class man??

[CrusaderPi]

Well, the NDP had that really shrill woman Alexie McSomething. But the NDP is hardly a major party.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by CrusaderPi

Well, the NDP had that really shrill woman Alexie McSomething. But the NDP is hardly a major party.

I'd call representing a 1/5th of all ballots cast in a 4 party race to be a major party.

[flames_1987]

Lewis Black gets my vote for the next president

[CrusaderPi]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I'd call representing a 1/5th of all ballots cast in a 4 party race to be a major party.

Sure. Just like I'd call my 1 year old (she's exactly 1/5 of the people living in my house) and a person of major importance. Of course when it comes to relevant things like desicion making, well let's just say her opinions only count because I don't want to deal with a cry baby.

(Like that? Two parallels for the price of one)

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I'd call representing a 1/5th of all ballots cast in a 4 party race to be a major party.

Originally Posted by CrusaderPi

Sure. Just like I'd call my 1 year old (she's exactly 1/5 of the people living in my house) and a person of major importance. Of course when it comes to relevant things like desicion making, well let's just say her opinions only count because I don't want to deal with a cry baby.

(Like that? Two parallels for the price of one)

I actually think Flash is right in this instance. I would say a small party is the Green party at only, what? 5% of the population? Look at them in years... The NDP at 20% are like a 20 year old, and the Greens are like a 5 year old. You give your daughter too much credit already. Better watch out for that.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by CrusaderPi

Sure. Just like I'd call my 1 year old (she's exactly 1/5 of the people living in my house) and a person of major importance. Of course when it comes to relevant things like desicion making, well let's just say her opinions only count because I don't want to deal with a cry baby.

(Like that? Two parallels for the price of one)

this is probably the worst excuse for an analogy this board has ever seen.

[CrusaderPi]

I thought it was pretty good. NDPs being the whiny 14 months old girls of Canadian politics? I can't see how that's a miss. Maybe you just need to know my daughter better.

At any rate, it was funny and apt in my head so I posted it.

If you want to delude yourself into think how important the NDP really is, well go for it. Vote for the fourth party. Enjoy irrelevance.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by CrusaderPi

I thought it was pretty good. NDPs being the whiny 14 months old girls of Canadian politics? I can't see how that's a miss. Maybe you just need to know my daughter better.

At any rate, it was funny and apt in my head so I posted it.

If you want to delude yourself into think how important the NDP really is, well go for it. Vote for the fourth party. Enjoy irrelevance.

Speaking of your daughter, I now feel very, very bad for her.

Tell me, to use your analogy, I imagine you fancy yourself as the ruling party in your family. What happens when your wife (the liberals) and the baby don't want to do something or go somewhere? I'm going to assume it doesn't happen.

[CrusaderPi]

Oh come on. Obviously my analogy was limited, most are. At some point I see my daughter growing up and becoming a useful member of society. I don't see the NDP even approaching that. I think that's a good spot of the analogy to end.

As far as myself being a evil ruling despot not caring about what my wife or kids think, well you haven't been married have you? My marriage is like most other, the wife clearly wears the pants. Sure, I'm King of the Castle, as long as I agree with her. Otherwise I sleep in the dungeon until I decide (of my own free, strong will - because, you know, I'm the MAN of the house) to apologize.

[Flash Walken]

I'm not going to bother.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by CrusaderPi

Oh come on. Obviously my analogy was limited, most are. At some point I see my daughter growing up and becoming a useful member of society. I don't see the NDP even approaching that. I think that's a good spot of the analogy to end.

As far as myself being a evil ruling despot not caring about what my wife or kids think, well you haven't been married have you? My marriage is like most other, the wife clearly wears the pants. Sure, I'm King of the Castle, as long as I agree with her. Otherwise I sleep in the dungeon until I decide (of my own free, strong will - because, you know, I'm the MAN of the house) to apologize.

I am looking for a Vice President for my "Take over the world" bid!

[Cowperson]

An interesting article on the general toxicity of Hillary worrying Democrats

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20237246/

Cowperson