American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[MRCboicgy]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

How about this. How about we don't give out awards for freedom to athletes?

Just a thought, but how about we reserve it for only those who have truly advanced the cause of freedom? Crazy, I know.

Jesse Owens - one and done.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by direwolf

I refuse to watch any of this stupid crap, but I'm just curious if he's mentioned how he's going to reduce grocery prices yet? Apparently his handlers really wanted him to address this in order to win over voters who have soured on his economic policies ahead of the mid-terms.


I'm gonna go ahead and guess no? Without watching, I assume it's gone like this so far:


-Tariffs are awesome and we have the bestest economy of all time. The entire world has been ripping us off!


-The Supreme Court are traitors to America.


-Immigrants are all terrorists and we're gonna kick 'em all out.


-The 2020 election was stolen.


-The U.S. Olympic hockey team rules.


-Windmills suck.


-Inflation is a democrat hoax.


-Climate change is a democrat hoax.


-It's all Biden's fault.



Did I miss anything?

We're having a massive snowstorm.

Mamdani wants people to shovel snow.

I fixed her eyes.

The doctor ripped me off.

https://twitter.com/user/status/2025963441362522469

[Manhattanboy]

Tkachuk now on Hannity on FOX after the State of the Union.

This is so out of hand.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

How about this. How about we don't give out awards for freedom to athletes?

Just a thought, but how about we reserve it for only those who have truly advanced the cause of freedom? Crazy, I know.

Yeah, that seems reasonable. But this is USA, so you add freedom to the end of anything and it doesn't necessarily mean much. But it is the highest civilian honor.

So it's not really equivalent to the Order of Canada, because OC has 3 levels, with the highest level reserved to a select few individuals. ​The highest level is Companion, which usually comes as a promotion from 'lower' levels and usually requires a lifetime of service that extends far beyond their competitive years, often involving significant philanthropy, national leadership, or a global impact on the sport itself. So, for example, Andre DeGrassi (member) or Christine Sinclair (officer) were given OC but would have to put in significant service to be promoted to the highest order (companion).

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Tkachuk now on Hannity on FOX after the State of the Union.

This is so out of hand.

He’s building relationships so he can do despicable things after he’s retired from hockey.

[Drak]

It’s too bad the Flames ever drafted that pedo loving Nazi piece of sht.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Tkachuk now on Hannity on FOX after the State of the Union.

This is so out of hand.

So happy he's no longer a Flame. F*** this loser.

[Fuzz]

[ViKen]

Originally Posted by Captain Otto

So do you think, after everything you've seen or heard, that he was involved in any sort of illegal behavior related to Epstein and his child sex trafficking?

I'm not asking you to put it on trial and form guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, I'm just asking what your gut tells you based on all you know.

Sent from my Pixel 9 Pro XL using Tapatalk

Hi Otto, not trying to duck your question. Just had more important matters to tend to like brushing my little guys teeth and reading him a book before bedtime (many of you will be disappointed that it wasn't Mein Kampf).

While I kept hearing about allegations in the Epstein files initially, which did raise my suspicions, they were essentially thwarted when Dems started playing games to undermine the evidentiary process such as manipulating email quotes and redacting names of known witnesses like Virginia Giiffre to spread as facts. This puts a lot of doubt into the credibility of any of these allegations. Case in point here where even ABC news (not Fox) issued this article:

https://abcnews.com/US/virginia-giuf...y?id=127468657

Add to that the circulating list of alleged young girls (and boys) of families who supposedly were sexually abused by Trump but settled for $Millions in hush money (trust me, I've seen it all being circulated and put in front of me). What I can say is as a father that can also speak for virtually every other parent we know, if someone were to abuse my child, no amount of money would buy my silence or keep me from seeking full retribution.

Looch, if you're reading and wondering about why I personally don't come out loud and clear in pure unadulterated adoration and support for Trump and the MAGA base, it's because I don't blindly throw my full support behind anyone in politics. Is there a lot to criticize? Absolutely. Arrogant, undiplomatic, egotistical, a hard and annoying negotiator, sore loser, just to name a few. What I cannot fault Trump for is his determination to carry through with what he campaigned on. He already called his shot(s) before taking office and I'm continually baffled why any of these outcomes are such a shock to anyone.

At the end of the day, none of this matters in my everyday life nor should it be so all consuming for any of you who simply cannot refrain from turning just about every thread political with a deeply personal insult at every opportunity. I know I've been judged to the fullest here by the brave souls who have dawned a keyboard or a phone, but in person, it's a different ballgame and that's the very thing we've allowed ourselves to disregard. Restraint and respectful debate.

No amount of facts or speeches or current state of affairs seem to matter because you've made up your minds. People choose to formulate their thoughts on the information they trust. Some are more open to debate than others but it is 100% due to media influence. It all boils down to what source of news YOU watch and read. We have all been mentally manipulated to think that everything is either black or white; take a side and if it's not mine then you're better off dead. Do you think Rachel Maddow gets paid $20M a year just to read a prompter into a camera? They're banking on her to give her own spin to generate ad revenues and viewership ratings. It's not just reading facts. It's now about generating a perspective. Sorry to break it to many of you, but life is a grey area. Politicians play charades in front of cameras but the real outcomes are determined through backroom deals.

Dems are beyond ticked and desperate as their gravy train is shrinking and they've been reduced to feelings over facts as rebuttals. Conversely here, you'll know that I'm no fan of Carney as he's compromised with a terribly track record from the UK (aside from his previous work with Trudeau) but I'm equally ticked at PP and the entire Conservative party who have not been able to come up with any sort of messaging or platform that resonates with our entire country since Harper lost; offering no viable alternative for people East of Manitoba to rally behind. Not to mention that PP lost his own riding and had to get back by taking a seat in a riding he doesn't even live in. We're very tired of paying the wages in Ottawa and getting no results.

I'm digressing here but let me close with a note to Johnny who called me out for being a coward in the Gold medal thread before it was closed. I enjoy reading all of the posts regardless of the author behind it because I'm always reminding myself that there's a real human being uttering those words (except for maybe that Asperger's guy who loves AI and can't stop dropping F bombs). It's hard to invest this much time writing and debating when my wife and I have businesses to run and we fight to protect the jobs of the 60 plus people we employ. We witness struggles each day from our staff, our customers, and everyone's children. What's missing is a productive mindset that has become lost as priorities shift towards things like social media and away from our own families and communities. So please excuse me if I'm not that motivated to engage all the time.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

it just felt like I was reading the Onion when I first saw that.

That pretty much sums up most of Trump's decisions.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Where do you employ these 60 plus people? In Calgary?

[Captain Otto]

Originally Posted by ViKen

Hi Otto, not trying to duck your question. Just had more important matters to tend to like brushing my little guys teeth and reading him a book before bedtime (many of you will be disappointed that it wasn't Mein Kampf).

While I kept hearing about allegations in the Epstein files initially, which did raise my suspicions, they were essentially thwarted when Dems started playing games to undermine the evidentiary process such as manipulating email quotes and redacting names of known witnesses like Virginia Giiffre to spread as facts. This puts a lot of doubt into the credibility of any of these allegations. Case in point here where even ABC news (not Fox) issued this article:

https://abcnews.com/US/virginia-giuf...y?id=127468657

Add to that the circulating list of alleged young girls (and boys) of families who supposedly were sexually abused by Trump but settled for $Millions in hush money (trust me, I've seen it all being circulated and put in front of me). What I can say is as a father that can also speak for virtually every other parent we know, if someone were to abuse my child, no amount of money would buy my silence or keep me from seeking full retribution.

Looch, if you're reading and wondering about why I personally don't come out loud and clear in pure unadulterated adoration and support for Trump and the MAGA base, it's because I don't blindly throw my full support behind anyone in politics. Is there a lot to criticize? Absolutely. Arrogant, undiplomatic, egotistical, a hard and annoying negotiator, sore loser, just to name a few. What I cannot fault Trump for is his determination to carry through with what he campaigned on. He already called his shot(s) before taking office and I'm continually baffled why any of these outcomes are such a shock to anyone.

At the end of the day, none of this matters in my everyday life nor should it be so all consuming for any of you who simply cannot refrain from turning just about every thread political with a deeply personal insult at every opportunity. I know I've been judged to the fullest here by the brave souls who have dawned a keyboard or a phone, but in person, it's a different ballgame and that's the very thing we've allowed ourselves to disregard. Restraint and respectful debate.

No amount of facts or speeches or current state of affairs seem to matter because you've made up your minds. People choose to formulate their thoughts on the information they trust. Some are more open to debate than others but it is 100% due to media influence. It all boils down to what source of news YOU watch and read. We have all been mentally manipulated to think that everything is either black or white; take a side and if it's not mine then you're better off dead. Do you think Rachel Maddow gets paid $20M a year just to read a prompter into a camera? They're banking on her to give her own spin to generate ad revenues and viewership ratings. It's not just reading facts. It's now about generating a perspective. Sorry to break it to many of you, but life is a grey area. Politicians play charades in front of cameras but the real outcomes are determined through backroom deals.

Dems are beyond ticked and desperate as their gravy train is shrinking and they've been reduced to feelings over facts as rebuttals. Conversely here, you'll know that I'm no fan of Carney as he's compromised with a terribly track record from the UK (aside from his previous work with Trudeau) but I'm equally ticked at PP and the entire Conservative party who have not been able to come up with any sort of messaging or platform that resonates with our entire country since Harper lost; offering no viable alternative for people East of Manitoba to rally behind. Not to mention that PP lost his own riding and had to get back by taking a seat in a riding he doesn't even live in. We're very tired of paying the wages in Ottawa and getting no results.

I'm digressing here but let me close with a note to Johnny who called me out for being a coward in the Gold medal thread before it was closed. I enjoy reading all of the posts regardless of the author behind it because I'm always reminding myself that there's a real human being uttering those words (except for maybe that Asperger's guy who loves AI and can't stop dropping F bombs). It's hard to invest this much time writing and debating when my wife and I have businesses to run and we fight to protect the jobs of the 60 plus people we employ. We witness struggles each day from our staff, our customers, and everyone's children. What's missing is a productive mindset that has become lost as priorities shift towards things like social media and away from our own families and communities. So please excuse me if I'm not that motivated to engage all the time.

I was going to write a long response outlining the evidence and coverup, but I am not sure it's worth it. Afterall, you dug up ONE article where one victim say's she didn't see Trump with any girls. Right. Case closed.

However, are you blaming dems for undermining the evidentiary process? Really? Despite the fact Trumps DOJ has HEAVILY redacted the files likely to protect him and his buddies? They also refuse to release the other 3 million files. Why do you think that is?

In the end, you didn't answer the question.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by ViKen

Hi Otto, not trying to duck your question. Just had more important matters to tend to like brushing my little guys teeth and reading him a book before bedtime (many of you will be disappointed that it wasn't Mein Kampf).

While I kept hearing about allegations in the Epstein files initially, which did raise my suspicions, they were essentially thwarted when Dems started playing games to undermine the evidentiary process such as manipulating email quotes and redacting names of known witnesses like Virginia Giiffre to spread as facts. This puts a lot of doubt into the credibility of any of these allegations. Case in point here where even ABC news (not Fox) issued this article:

https://abcnews.com/US/virginia-giuf...y?id=127468657

Add to that the circulating list of alleged young girls (and boys) of families who supposedly were sexually abused by Trump but settled for $Millions in hush money (trust me, I've seen it all being circulated and put in front of me). What I can say is as a father that can also speak for virtually every other parent we know, if someone were to abuse my child, no amount of money would buy my silence or keep me from seeking full retribution.

Looch, if you're reading and wondering about why I personally don't come out loud and clear in pure unadulterated adoration and support for Trump and the MAGA base, it's because I don't blindly throw my full support behind anyone in politics. Is there a lot to criticize? Absolutely. Arrogant, undiplomatic, egotistical, a hard and annoying negotiator, sore loser, just to name a few. What I cannot fault Trump for is his determination to carry through with what he campaigned on. He already called his shot(s) before taking office and I'm continually baffled why any of these outcomes are such a shock to anyone.

At the end of the day, none of this matters in my everyday life nor should it be so all consuming for any of you who simply cannot refrain from turning just about every thread political with a deeply personal insult at every opportunity. I know I've been judged to the fullest here by the brave souls who have dawned a keyboard or a phone, but in person, it's a different ballgame and that's the very thing we've allowed ourselves to disregard. Restraint and respectful debate.

No amount of facts or speeches or current state of affairs seem to matter because you've made up your minds. People choose to formulate their thoughts on the information they trust. Some are more open to debate than others but it is 100% due to media influence. It all boils down to what source of news YOU watch and read. We have all been mentally manipulated to think that everything is either black or white; take a side and if it's not mine then you're better off dead. Do you think Rachel Maddow gets paid $20M a year just to read a prompter into a camera? They're banking on her to give her own spin to generate ad revenues and viewership ratings. It's not just reading facts. It's now about generating a perspective. Sorry to break it to many of you, but life is a grey area. Politicians play charades in front of cameras but the real outcomes are determined through backroom deals.

Dems are beyond ticked and desperate as their gravy train is shrinking and they've been reduced to feelings over facts as rebuttals. Conversely here, you'll know that I'm no fan of Carney as he's compromised with a terribly track record from the UK (aside from his previous work with Trudeau) but I'm equally ticked at PP and the entire Conservative party who have not been able to come up with any sort of messaging or platform that resonates with our entire country since Harper lost; offering no viable alternative for people East of Manitoba to rally behind. Not to mention that PP lost his own riding and had to get back by taking a seat in a riding he doesn't even live in. We're very tired of paying the wages in Ottawa and getting no results.

I'm digressing here but let me close with a note to Johnny who called me out for being a coward in the Gold medal thread before it was closed. I enjoy reading all of the posts regardless of the author behind it because I'm always reminding myself that there's a real human being uttering those words (except for maybe that Asperger's guy who loves AI and can't stop dropping F bombs). It's hard to invest this much time writing and debating when my wife and I have businesses to run and we fight to protect the jobs of the 60 plus people we employ. We witness struggles each day from our staff, our customers, and everyone's children. What's missing is a productive mindset that has become lost as priorities shift towards things like social media and away from our own families and communities. So please excuse me if I'm not that motivated to engage all the time.

[Drak]

I bet everyone else on the Epstein list who’s not a republican is guilty though, right?

Trump shut the Epstein investigation down during his first term in office. Investigations were re opened under Biden but were shut down again when Trump took office in 2025.

Pam Bondi and Kash Patel have both openly admitted to a cover up. They’ve both tried to claim the files were BS and told everyone to move on, after they spoke about the damning evidence in them. The DOJ was court ordered to release all the files and they haven’t, and files relating Trump are now missing. Trump is mentioned in the files more than anyone else. Trump moved Epstein’s number 1 associate into a Club Fed luxury prison with a puppy to shut her up, even though she’s a convicted human trafficker and child rapist. If you think the reason Trump’s syncophant boot licking DOJ isn’t taking action is due to Trump’s innocence then you’re lying and delusional.

Trump palled around with Jeff Epstein for nearly two decades. Epstein’s trade was human trafficking. Trying to claim they were just friends and that Trump didn’t know is quite the leap of stupidity. In 2002, Trump even described his then-friend Epstein by saying, "It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.” Trump has a recorded history of sexualizing minors, on audio and video. He also has a huge list of accusers who claim he assaulted and raped them when they were minors, including sworn testimony in court.

Trump ran a pre teen/ teen modeling agency and a teen beauty pageant while he was hanging with his human trafficking pal. Mar a Lago and Epstein’s house are locations described by his accusers. Even though Trump tries to claim he stopped communicating in the 2000’s we now know Epstein was still linked to Trump’s campaign up until he died and we’ve seen emails in the files about Epstein vacationing with the Trump family in 2016.


Anyone defending Trump at this point is a delusional lying cultist and certainly doesn’t have a problem with pedophiles.

[Fuzz]

It essentially boils down to "Trump has done the things he says he will do" which is, perhaps the most stunning, wilfully ridiculous claim any person on Earth could come up with. The loser changes his mind every 8 seconds. This is from his first term, 53% promises broken.


https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...r/?ruling=true


Yes, he does a lot of what he said he would do, which is shocking to rational people that he would be elected in the first place, given those promises. But David Cochrane brought his into focus: "America isn't the way it is because he's president. He's president because America is the way it is."


So when someone like you clings to a falsehood that he does what he says, because he's done some of what he says, it's just kinda baffling. How can you claim that, given he lies as much as he follows through? And the stuff he has said he would do and has done is pretty reprehensible ####, if you, you know, have a soul and stuff. But given you don't find his Epstein connections to be disgusting, known interactions with underage women, or his "grab women by the #####" disrespectful enough(how's your wife feel about you not caring about that? you have daughters?) to recognize the bloated botulistic bovine for what he is, well, don't be surprised if we all judge you as wearing the same #### he slathers himself in every morning. Because it's exactly what all Trump supporters are. No hiding now.

[Looch City]

Are we at the stage where any and all Trump supporters can just be deemed pedophiles now?

Seriously, didn't realize 40% of the American population are pedos. Crazy!

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Why? It’s a completely fair question because we’re in a world where they would actually do something like that.

My point was if course they would and did do something this stupid. Sorry for the confusion.

[Ped]

ViKen's post is a perfect example of someone who sounds reasonable until you look at what he actually wrote.

Just had more important matters to tend to like brushing my little guys teeth and reading him a book before bedtime (many of you will be disappointed that it wasn't Mein Kampf).

A little dig to show that you're involved in infinitely more important things and are a person with good qualities. It's a message board. You are free to respond whenever you ant but when you say "I didn't because..." it sounds like Oilers fans who disappear but come back when they are winning.

essentially thwarted when Dems started playing games to undermine the evidentiary process such as manipulating email quotes and redacting names of known witnesses like Virginia Giiffre to spread as facts

Really? Trump was in office from 2016 and 2020 and Epstein was out there. He could have released everything then. He said they were a hoax, then he promised to release them all, and hasn't, and his appointed people are also lying about it, and there's still stuff missing, and he has provenly lied about his relationship with Epstein more than once.

What I can say is as a father that can also speak for virtually every other parent we know, if someone were to abuse my child, no amount of money would buy my silence or keep me from seeking full retribution.

That's great you can say that. But what it appears is that several people of power have been involved in this for a long time. So while you may have the stability in your life to make such a statement, in cases like these, families and victims often have to make a determination on whether or not justice is likely, and therefore sometimes taking the only means of retribution they can, while also perhaps using that money to solve other problems. Is it sick and twisted? Yes, but that's on the system and its limitations. If someone you knew was assaulted in some way and was told "assaulter won't be found guilty, so take the money that will change your life, or nothing at all" then what do you do? I doubt you know until you are on that situation. Hopefully you never will be, but it

At the end of the day, none of this matters in my everyday life nor should it be so all consuming for any of you who simply cannot refrain from turning just about every thread political with a deeply personal insult at every opportunity.

What is happening is the US may not affect your life to the degree that it is to the people who are experiencing it, to say it doesn't affect your everyday life at all shows a complete lack of empathy on your part, and a lack of realization of how things change. If you live in Alberta or anywhere in Canada, actually, the rise of Trump and his supporters have led to increased boldness of hate groups and racists. Government officials in Alberta are meeting with Trump admin officials to talk about separation. Stuff like this existed before Trump but certainly it is a lot more out there now that he has emboldened people. And the cuts and deportations and tariffs affect everyone, from people dying without aid to prices going higher to families ripped apart because people are in concentration camps.

It all boils down to what source of news YOU watch and read. We have all been mentally manipulated to think that everything is either black or white; take a side and if it's not mine then you're better off dead

Gray areas exist, but when it comes to people who have been found guilty of crimes, like Trump, who has pardoned people guilty of crimes just because they give him money, such as Trump has, and a long history of fraud, proven criminal activity, and claims of sexual assault, then it should be pretty black and white. Arguing for grey areas with an accused child rapist, pedophile, and human trafficker is pretty disgusting.

It's hard to invest this much time writing and debating when my wife and I have businesses to run and we fight to protect the jobs of the 60 plus people we employ. We witness struggles each day from our staff, our customers, and everyone's children. What's missing is a productive mindset that has become lost as priorities shift towards things like social media and away from our own families and communities. So please excuse me if I'm not that motivated to engage all the time.

Right, you're above all this, except for the many posts you made in this thread.

[Burninator]

Watched part of the speech last night, it was like a fever dream. Can't think of another way to put it.

[Drak]

Pam Bondi made another appearance on Fox News this morning gushing over Donald Trump.

A properly functioning AG and a properly functioning FBI Director are apolitical and do not constantly appear on political news casts and podcasts praising a president, like Pam Bondi and Kash Patel do. That’s the type of crap you see in full blown dictatorships, not in working, healthy democracies where the rule of law is supposed to exist.