10 dead, including suspect, in mass shooting in Tumbler Ridge, B.C.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

It also doesn't make any sense to threaten a grieving family (seriously who on earth would?), but sadly that seems more probable than fabrication.

But if the threats were "circulating online" then one would think there would be evidence somewhere.

The "circulating online" stems from the family member of the victim hosting the funeral posting publicly about the threat from a person they know described as "a very dangerous person", it doesn't mean the actual threat was made online. That threat could have been done in person, such as someone coming to their home, or yelling across the street. It could have been word of mouth and the family member didn't hear it directly but is posting as it if was. We don't know the details outside of it was deemed serious enough by the family that they canceled the funeral. The details surrounding the threats or what they were are not released.

The only thing that the RCMP stated is they cannot validate the threats at this point. That doesn't mean they didn't happen, it just means they have no evidence it occured as stated.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I imagine once the shooting happened they went and looked for Jacob and issued the warrant when he wasn’t at his residence. Very strange that he’d end up 8 hours away in another province.

This also makes the father’s statement feel somewhat questionable. Is he going to come out and disown, misgender, and misname another one of his kids now that they’re been caught?

Between this and the alleged threats that nobody seems to have evidence of, this whole thing is definitely weird.

The thing is, the mother was very very present on social media including drunken social media posts (libertarian freedom convoy, MAGA type and conspiracist), who happened to have a transgender child. Even without the mass shooting and attempted murder, you could look at the online ongoings and they could have easily been reposted in some of the threads here as examples of insanity. By all measures, they were a clearly a very dysfunctional family and this is without knowing what else happened offline.

I come from a small town, and generally small town politics and occurings stay within that town, but everyone inside the town knows everything down to how many dumps you take in a day, often from word of mouth where of course things get lost in translation. Most definitely everyone knows this family (who is not originating from there, but would have other family elsewhere and likely visited at some point). That would include the father.

That "very dangerous person" mentioned by the victim family is likely real, and very highly likely related to the shooter family. But having an arrest made on it based on an alleged threat that may or may not have happened, would make this situation even more eyebrow raising.

But hey we have the brother who is also unhinged and a danger to society coincidentally arrested while free instead of in jail.

Considering how much scrutiny happened once details about Gabriel Wortman (the Portapique shooter) were revealed and that the shooting was most likely preventable or mitigated, there is far more known by the RCMP and revealing it could put that magnifying glass on them again.

https://macleans.ca/news/canada/the-...ver-operation/

[PepsiFree]

Having the threats come from a member of the shooter’s family makes sense, but the statement from one of the families doesn’t feel like it matches that:

“From what we are hearing, we are at least the third family of the deceased to be harassed or threatened by people from their past since this awful tragedy took place.”

If it was a member of the shooter’s family or some random person, I think they would say that. Instead there’s reference to “people from their past” which suggests someone related to/known previously by the victims’ families.

Really strange.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Having the threats come from a member of the shooter’s family makes sense, but the statement from one of the families doesn’t feel like it matches that:

“From what we are hearing, we are at least the third family of the deceased to be harassed or threatened by people from their past since this awful tragedy took place.”

If it was a member of the shooter’s family or some random person, I think they would say that. Instead there’s reference to “people from their past” which suggests someone related to/known previously by the victims’ families.

Really strange.

It is strange. But like Firebot said, everyone in that town knows about everyone else. I would think that the families receiving the alleged threats would have been told what to say to the media? To be vague as to not bring more unwanted attention to themselves?

A person from their past could mean anyone in that town or someone who used to live in that town, or a friend / online friend of the shooter, or relative.

But like I said before, these families are planning and going through with funerals for their children. Highly unlikely they would fabricate stories about these threats. So I am guessing the threats are legit.

[PepsiFree]

How would an “online friend of the shooter” be someone from the victims’ families past?

There’s no way they would be advised to say the threats came from a vague category of people, so I think we can throw that out. Especially not a category of people the threats didn’t even come from.

I’m not going to guess at how legit the threats are if there isn’t any evidence of them. And the idea that they might not be legit doesn’t mean it was the families making them up, there are a lot of far right weirdos milking this tragedy online and going there “interviewing” townspeople etc (none of which appear to have any journalistic background, just far right influencers). It would be entirely possible that some of those people communicated these threats to the families as coming from someone else, instead of the families receiving those threats directly.

But that also doesn’t make sense with the threats coming from “people from their past.”

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

How would an “online friend of the shooter” be someone from the victims’ families past?

There’s no way they would be advised to say the threats came from a vague category of people, so I think we can throw that out. Especially not a category of people the threats didn’t even come from.

I’m not going to guess at how legit the threats are if there isn’t any evidence of them. And the idea that they might not be legit doesn’t mean it was the families making them up, there are a lot of far right weirdos milking this tragedy online and going there “interviewing” townspeople etc (none of which appear to have any journalistic background, just far right influencers). It would be entirely possible that some of those people communicated these threats to the families as coming from someone else, instead of the families receiving those threats directly.

But that also doesn’t make sense with the threats coming from “people from their past.”

I haven’t read any of this, but I haven’t looked for it either. Can you provide a few examples? I don’t doubt what you are saying, just more curious myself.

[Fuzz]

You didn't see it on your favourite entertainment rageporn site?

right-wing media went into overdrive, blaming the violence on acceptance of trans people and even a pride flag that was displayed at the school.
“Do you know what that flag on schools in Canada means now?” a commentator named Lise Merle asked during a Rebel News livestream the day after the shooting. “Danger, danger.”

https://thewalrus.ca/tumbler-ridge-i...isinformation/


Here's another of theirs doing what Pepsi says, except it seems she's just doing it form home, I wouldn't imagine Rebel has much travel budget left after they sent their harasser in chief to Davos to pester Chrystia Freeland until the authorities had to tell him to go play with himself.


Not a clickable link, because no one should give them traffic, but it's evidence he requested.
rebelnews.com /tumbler_ridge_parent


Funny, too, from the Walrus article above:

“We recognize that blaming all Jews for [the actions of Israeli prime minister Benjamin] Netanyahu and the State of Israel is antisemitism.”

Equality crusader Ezra, never missing a chance to call out anti-semitism seems just fine punching down at everyone else all day long. ####in' loser.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

You didn't see it on your favourite entertainment rageporn site?



https://thewalrus.ca/tumbler-ridge-i...isinformation/


Here's another of theirs doing what Pepsi says, except it seems she's just doing it form home, I wouldn't imagine Rebel has much travel budget left after they sent their harasser in chief to Davos to pester Chrystia Freeland until the authorities had to tell him to go play with himself.


Not a clickable link, because no one should give them traffic, but it's evidence he requested.
rebelnews.com /tumbler_ridge_parent


Funny, too, from the Walrus article above:





Equality crusader Ezra, never missing a chance to call out anti-semitism seems just fine punching down at everyone else all day long. ####in' loser.

I don’t go on those websites.

Anyways, here is the question again, in case you want to take another crack at it.

there are a lot of far right weirdos milking this tragedy online and going there “interviewing” townspeople etc (none of which appear to have any journalistic background, just far right influencers)

I haven’t read any of this, but I haven’t looked for it either. Can you provide a few examples? I don’t doubt what you are saying, just more curious myself.

[Fuzz]

I provided two. I found them Googling in about 30 seconds. If you want more, I guess I can give you my google prompt? Is that what you want? Do you think CP is how internet search works? Type it in here and see what you get?

[Doctorfever]

there are a lot of far right weirdos milking this tragedy online and going there “interviewing” townspeople etc (none of which appear to have any journalistic background, just far right influencers)

You want to try again?

Or even better, just stop trying. Let Pepsi provide a few links of the “lots of far right People going there interviewing townspeople.

Thanks for trying though.

[Fuzz]

Man, ok I didn't realize you were just looking for a pedantic reason to dismiss it, presumably because you don't have a real reason. And none of this means What Pepsi said doesn't exist, I'm just not going to look for you, and you've responded that you are not capable of doing it yourself, so I guess we are just stuck agreeing I got you 95% of what you couldn't locate yourself. You are free to prove those videos don't exist though, if you disagree.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Man, ok I didn't realize you were just looking for a pedantic reason to dismiss it, presumably because you don't have a real reason. And none of this means What Pepsi said doesn't exist, I'm just not going to look for you, and you've responded that you are not capable of doing it yourself, so I guess we are just stuck agreeing I got you 95% of what you couldn't locate yourself. You are free to prove those videos don't exist though, if you disagree.

Please, don’t look anymore. You failed. Leave it to Pepsi.

Thanks again for trying.

[PepsiFree]

I’m not going to share their stuff and give them any additional views but Fuzz is correct that this is easily searchable for anyone with basic internet literacy. I found it completely by accident. If you can find a two year old “good news” article about a trans person to attempt to prove (and fail) that not everything you post about that community is vile bigoted crap meant to feed your perverted obsession, you can certainly find several examples of what I’m talking about with absolutely minimal effort.

Just so we’re clear, I’m happy to be polite and have regular exchanges, but I have no interest in putting any effort in to help you along when 95% of the time this is just your stupid game where you ask for “evidence” of something because you don’t believe it and then when presented with that evidence you totally ignore it or find some reason to dismiss it (like you’re doing with Fuzz, so I’m assuming this is what this is), or if someone doesn’t present it you pretend you’ve proven some point.

You’re a big boy. Go look for it if you’re interested.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I’m not going to share their stuff and give them any additional views but Fuzz is correct that this is easily searchable for anyone with basic internet literacy. I found it completely by accident. If you can find a two year old “good news” article about a trans person to attempt to prove (and fail) that not everything you post about that community is vile bigoted crap meant to feed your perverted obsession, you can certainly find several examples of what I’m talking about with absolutely minimal effort.

Just so we’re clear, I’m happy to be polite and have regular exchanges, but I have no interest in putting any effort in to help you along when 95% of the time this is just your stupid game where you ask for “evidence” of something because you don’t believe it and then when presented with that evidence you totally ignore it or find some reason to dismiss it (like you’re doing with Fuzz, so I’m assuming this is what this is), or if someone doesn’t present it you pretend you’ve proven some point.

You’re a big boy. Go look for it if you’re interested.

I was genuinely curious. But if you don’t have anything then you don’t have anything. I will accept you don’t and move on.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

I was genuinely curious. But if you don’t have anything then you don’t have anything. I will accept you don’t and move on.

Stop acting like a child.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Stop acting like a child.

You spelled C U N T wrong

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

I was genuinely curious. But if you don’t have anything then you don’t have anything. I will accept you don’t and move on.

You'll argue pedantically, but if you're looking for an example of a nut job saying insane things related to this tragedy then I've got an easy one for you:

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

I was genuinely curious. But if you don’t have anything then you don’t have anything. I will accept you don’t and move on.

You're trolling a thread about dead kids. ####ing pathetic.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

You'll argue pedantically, but if you're looking for an example of a nut job saying insane things related to this tragedy then I've got an easy one for you:



You're trolling a thread about dead kids. ####ing pathetic.

Trolling is posting things you can’t back up…

You guys make so much out of nothing. Post a couple sources, like 10 posts ago and it’s done.

[Drak]

Continuously asking for links and information that can be easily obtained is a standard trolling tactic.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Drak

Continuously asking for links and information that can be easily obtained is a standard trolling tactic.

Could you imagine working with this guy? Gotta be the absolute most useless loser in the warehouse.


"Doctor, did you put that box on Shelf A-7?"


"I'm unfamiliar with what this thing called a 'box' is. Get me a picture of it and a list of materials it's made from, and I'll see about it. But I've never heard of this thing called a 'box' so I need you to show me it exists."