This charge isn’t what is needed to hold him accountable for his horrendous crimes but it’s a start. It’s a dated comparison but Al Capone finally got his just desserts by being convicted of tax evasion. Every piece of legislation, every investigative angle needs to be used to force these predators to face justice.
Yeah fair comment
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I think he should only be referred to as Prince Andrew, the royal family should have to wear this one to the end of time.
Agreed, fcuk all those royal family, hopefully this brings down the monarchy
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This charge isn’t what is needed to hold him accountable for his horrendous crimes but it’s a start. It’s a dated comparison but Al Capone finally got his just desserts by being convicted of tax evasion. Every piece of legislation, every investigative angle needs to be used to force these predators to face justice.
Serious charges would probably require evidence sharing from the US DOJ. So I think we all know how that's going to go.
Sorry, I meant more criminal/along the lines of the “grape soda”/pedo code words kind of nastiness.
There are a handful of pictures within some of the more damning image sets. There is some discussion of whether or not these images are inserted as a blackmail technique, since there is a pretty steep tonal change. Likewise the emails appear to be black mail. That said, the New York Times has reported the two had met multiple times.
*Just a reminder that looking through the image sets is extremely NSFL*
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I feel like this is a very good way to get at the real Epstein issue.
First off, what he is accused of seems like a pretty cut and dry case: Did he share this information with Epstein? Not a lot of nuance.
Secondly, if convicted he has a maximum penalty of life in prison.
So together this seems like a way to get him to give some pretty incriminating evidence. I'm sure he can name some names, perhaps bring them into the case?
And while the police are at it, they will need to investigate deeper to try and find what's related to Andrew. No idea how deep they can go, but it feels like they could use this to gain access to some pretty incriminating stuff beyond the redacted Epstein files. But even having those litigated in court will be big news.
Without hard evidence, it's all hearsay though. And because saying whatever he needs to will provide a personal advantage to himself(lighter sentencing), he has incentive to. Given he's now proven to be a liar(under oath? not sure) how can a court take anything he says into account? He could provide corroborating evidence, but anything he says without backing is going to be highly dubious.
Without hard evidence, it's all hearsay though. And because saying whatever he needs to will provide a personal advantage to himself(lighter sentencing), he has incentive to. Given he's now proven to be a liar(under oath? not sure) how can a court take anything he says into account? He could provide corroborating evidence, but anything he says without backing is going to be highly dubious.
You say that like it doesn’t exist.
They have 14 Terabytes of photos and videos of these monsters doing every monstrous thing in the book, and we have millions of emails that are addressing the subject matter plainly.
Take Andrew to the middle of the channel and throw him over the side.
Like, what are we talking about here?
Rule of law does not apply to people with functionally infinite financial resources. It has allowed this to fester and flourish for decades (or centuries, or more) and is not equipped to stop it.
They don’t want their day in court, they just want to get away with it and never admit wrongdoing so they can go back and do it again.
Off with their heads.
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The major problem with Epstein is that he was so connected in the highest of social circles, and he was very much involved in fundraising a the highest levels.
He was also a massive liar with a major ego complex. It's hard to say whether he had actually blackmailed anyone or this was part of some fantasy of his, where he become some master manipulator.
With the Gates emails, they aren't even emails to Gates, but look like an attempt to force Gates into not ending a financial relationship, that Epstein never went through with. This emails were just drafts.
I don't feel sorry for anyone who has issues for just associating with Epstein, at least not anyone who associated with him post convictions in 2009. It's really a case of catching fleas from lying with dogs. Except the dog is pedophile.
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^Yeah....no. I ain't clicking on that. I don't need to randomly appear on some list in the future for merely looking at those emails.
It's supposed to be a mirror of the released documents, redactions and all. No CSAM, and I don't think any images. Just easier to use. But as was pointed out from one that I found, it's not showing everything and is missing context, which makes it hard to draw conclusions from in some cases.
They have 14 Terabytes of photos and videos of these monsters doing every monstrous thing in the book, and we have millions of emails that are addressing the subject matter plainly.
Take Andrew to the middle of the channel and throw him over the side.
Like, what are we talking about here?
Rule of law does not apply to people with functionally infinite financial resources. It has allowed this to fester and flourish for decades (or centuries, or more) and is not equipped to stop it.
They don’t want their day in court, they just want to get away with it and never admit wrongdoing so they can go back and do it again.
Off with their heads.
I was replying to the question of if he could provide useful details on others. But he isn't a reliable witness, so would need other evidence, in which case having a liar say "ya, that happened" still isn't super helpful. Probably not in a way a good lawyer for the accused couldn't dismiss.
Just being realistic.
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Sorry, I meant more criminal/along the lines of the “grape soda”/pedo code words kind of nastiness.
I think at the very least it's fair to assume he was taking advantage of victims of human trafficking. If they were 18 or not is really splitting hairs to decide how despicable his actions were. I thought Gates was maybe one of the good ones, but as far as I'm concerned he can burn. Anyone caught up in this is a vile POS regardless of how far they took it.
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I think at the very least it's fair to assume he was taking advantage of victims of human trafficking. If they were 18 or not is really splitting hairs to decide how despicable his actions were. I thought Gates was maybe one of the good ones, but as far as I'm concerned he can burn. Anyone caught up in this is a vile POS regardless of how far they took it.
Agree. To be clear I’m not trying to suggest maybe Gates only had a taste for legal aged ethically acquired Russian sex workers or something. I think anything outside routine business dealings with Epstein should come with an assumption of the worst, I was more so curious if there was evidence or strong suggestion of anything specifically criminal or vile where the assumptions had a stronger base.
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Agree. To be clear I’m not trying to suggest maybe Gates only had a taste for legal aged ethically acquired Russian sex workers or something. I think anything outside routine business dealings with Epstein should come with an assumption of the worst, I was more so curious if there was evidence or strong suggestion of anything specifically criminal or vile where the assumptions had a stronger base.
I think people are underestimating how much reach many of these sexual offenders had in the upper crusts of society.
Epstein, Prince Andrew, Jimmy Savile, P. Diddy, Mike Jeffries, Harvey Weinsten, etc.. it's a disgustingly long list of people.
These people's business dealings were closely tied with their personal and social lives. It would be standard procedure for them to wine and dine or, in the case of Epstein, invite potential business partners to his private properties.
The qualities that allowed these people to get away with their crimes for so long - charisma, manipulation, sociopathy, narcissism, etc... - are also qualities that make them good at navigating these social circles and acquiring great wealth.
Anyways, I don't think its as simple as separating things into business and non-business interactions.
