NBA may abolish the draft to prevent tanking

[FlamesAddiction]

I don't really follow the NBA and kind of OT, but I was surprised to see such a big age range for draft eligible prospects projected to go in the first 2 rounds at their draft (players range between 18-24 years old).

[DJones]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I don't really follow the NBA and kind of OT, but I was surprised to see such a big age range for draft eligible prospects projected to go in the first 2 rounds at their draft (players range between 18-24 years old).

Normal for all the sports with NCAA development. Especially now that they can get paid in school.

It's really the NHL that is bizarre. Drafting these kids at 17/18 when majority of them are years away from being in the league is crazy.

Draft would be a lot better if you brought the minimum age up.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by DJones

Normal for all the sports with NCAA development. Especially now that they can get paid in school.

It's really the NHL that is bizarre. Drafting these kids at 17/18 when majority of them are years away from being in the league is crazy.

Draft would be a lot better if you brought the minimum age up.

I believe the league looked at raising the draft age some years back, but someone (possibly the PA or the CHL) threatened to bring a suit for age discrimination under Canadian law. That problem really doesn’t arise for the other sports.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Would be odd for the PA to have a problem with a higher entry age, the higher the entry age the more existing members who get to stay in the league. But I don't think it would work to challenge the entry age. I wanna say it was Maurice Clarett years ago who sued the NFL that their age limit was illegal, and he lost.

[Jason14h]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...ding-surgeries

This is why the NBA is looking at it . Both players were healthy enough to be in trade rumors but when deals couldn’t be found are shut down for surgeries

We haven’t seen anything close to this in the NHl … Yet

[dino7c]

Raiders scratched star players against their will this season in the NFL

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

I wanna say it was Maurice Clarett years ago who sued the NFL that their age limit was illegal, and he lost.

Age discrimination laws in the U.S. are quite different from those in Canada, and moreover, I believe they vary from state to state. The NFL doesn't have to deal with Canadian law.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

OK but if Fla misses (mainly because of injury) and wins the lottery that will throw things a bit.

Sure, but the Gold Plan does nothing for this, nor do most other systems.

I also don't think punishing teams in the draft for winning championships makes sense.

The draft should be primarily about equalizing the distribution of talent, which is the original intent. I don't think teams should be punished for being good at drafting and developing and putting good teams together. I especially don't enjoy watching Edmonton and Buffalo waste talented player after talented player because and then be gifted more talent for it. I don't enjoy seeing young stars typically coming up in sucky teams.

If you primarily just equalize the incoming young talent teams would be forced to do what they can with what they get.

Now burning teams down and throwing seasons away is the path of least resistance and the smart choice, so that's what most teams do, and you can have relative success with it eventually even when you're pathologically bad at developing, like Edmonton.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Itse

Sure, but the Gold Plan does nothing for this, nor do most other systems.

I also don't think punishing teams in the draft for winning championships makes sense.

The draft should be primarily about equalizing the distribution of talent, which is the original intent. I don't think teams should be punished for being good at drafting and developing and putting good teams together. I especially don't enjoy watching Edmonton and Buffalo waste talented player after talented player because and then be gifted more talent for it. I don't enjoy seeing young stars typically coming up in sucky teams.

If you primarily just equalize the incoming young talent teams would be forced to do what they can with what they get.

Now burning teams down and throwing seasons away is the path of least resistance and the smart choice, so that's what most teams do, and you can have relative success with it eventually even when you're pathologically bad at developing, like Edmonton.

The answer would be a completely randomized draft I guess. That’s be wild

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Raiders scratched star players against their will this season in the NFL

Crosby did have a torn meniscus on his left knee which he had surgery in January to repair. I think two things can be true. The Raiders didn't want their best defensive player playing hurt on the knee anymore given the last two games were meaningless and they had their eyes on the 1st overall pick and shutting him down certainly wouldn't hurt their chances. I really don't have an issue with shutting down injured players when the schedule turns to meaningless games and it also opens the door for backups and rookies to get valuable experience.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The answer would be a completely randomized draft I guess. That’s be wild

And horrible for small market teams. Who generally are not as good as the big market teams.

The current draft is designed to help the teams with the worse record. That concept cannot fundamentally change.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

And horrible for small market teams. Who generally are not as good as the big market teams.

The current draft is designed to help the teams with the worse record. That concept cannot fundamentally change.

Why would it be bad for small market teams? They’d have the same chance.

Yes, the current draft is designed to benefit bad teams. But that’s the argument - they are now purposely being bad.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Why would it be bad for small market teams? They’d have the same chance.

Yes, the current draft is designed to benefit bad teams. But that’s the argument - they are now purposely being bad.

I think it's as simple as defining what a bad team actually is and whether one single season of standings is good enough to define that, or if it is actually more complicated.

[powderjunkie]

Gold plan is silly IMO because it depends too much on how good the 8 (or now 10) seed is - and how many games they've played. The bottom 10 teams in the East have been garbage in the NBA for a lot of years, so it takes longer for the 15th team in the East to get eliminated than their counterpart in the West. Similar can happen in the NHL, particularly with weak divisions.


I like the idea of doing away with the draft and managing distribution of rookies through the salary cap and limits on rookie deals (something the PA would be reluctant to give up.

If they do keep the lottery then recent playoff success and recent lottery success should be more heavily weighted than single season results.

[bzoo02]

I think a fun draft change could be:

* This is with a hard cap and 5 year max term contracts and an increase in number of available contracts/team*

1. Each team submits their ranking list ahead of draft day. NHL compiles the lists to generate an overall ranking.

2. Each team submits a contract offer at the time of each pick.

3. Player designated, by the compiled list, at that pick has 10 minutes to decide which contract and team they'd like to sign with.

Example: 1st overall has offers from all 32 teams, but those with the most cap space(usually aligns with tanking teams) can offer the most on the contract.

Example: A fifth round player may only have 3-4 offers at a pre-determined minimum amount.

A scenario like this would ideally see less traditional tanking, but wild trades throughout the season as teams jockey their cap space.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

End of the year, teams must pick another team to tie their first round pick to.

So let’s say Vancouver ends up 32 this year and we are 31

They must pick another team and where they finish next year is there draft position, so where we finish would decide their pick next year.

And so on and so fourth down the line.

This would end tanking because your record does not tie to your pick, while also creating fan interest in another team you wouldn’t have cared about before.

Everyone wins.

Which team gets to pick which team is representing their draft pick first?

Actual standings. Because teams are not tanking anymore you have absolutely no reason to lose.

[Senator Clay Davis]

I'll keep coming back to this really not being that big a deal. Mostly cause tanking is not some golden ticket to success. Truthfully more teams should take advantage the fact talent development costs don't have a salary cap. Brewers and Rays in baseball keep fielding competitive teams because they are elite at that side of things. Jets and Browns keeping drafting high cause they suck at those things.

[BACKCHECK!!!]

NHL should abolish the Edmonton Oilers to prevent tanking.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

I'll keep coming back to this really not being that big a deal. Mostly cause tanking is not some golden ticket to success. Truthfully more teams should take advantage the fact talent development costs don't have a salary cap. Brewers and Rays in baseball keep fielding competitive teams because they are elite at that side of things. Jets and Browns keeping drafting high cause they suck at those things.

In the NBA it is for sure, though. Agreed across other sports where a single star doesn't necessarily mean you're a guaranteed contender.

[Senator Clay Davis]

And there's definitely something to that. But right now you could have perhaps the greatest team ever with non-lottery players from 2011 onwards...

C - Jokic (drafted 41st)
PF - Giannis (drafted 15th)
SF - Kawhi (drafted 15th)
SG - Tyrese Maxey (drafted 21st)
PG - Jalen Brunson (drafted 33rd)
Sixth Man - Norman Powell (drafted 46th)

And a lot of that comes down to those guys ending up in good organizations. Whatever fixes or tweaks are made to any sports draft system will not change bad organizations being bad. Look at the Oilers, yeah they disgustingly lucked into McDavid, but they are likely to have wasted his entire time there without any championships.