[News] Gridin and Brzustewicz assigned to AHL for Olympic break

[cam_calderon]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Scouting reports are pretty irrelevant now

How are they irrelevant? Because he's played less than a season of pro games across the A and the NHL? They are paid to evaluate players, they're not just making things up.

I can understand fans getting carried away, but top line is Gridin's ceiling, not every player reaches it for myriad reasons.

[Buzzard]

He's excelling at progression. His progressing is excellent.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

How are they irrelevant? Because he's played less than a season of pro games across the A and the NHL? They are paid to evaluate players, they're not just making things up.

I can understand fans getting carried away, but top line is Gridin's ceiling, not every player reaches it for myriad reasons.

What actual value is there in lowering expectations and being less excited?

[Burning Beard]

Thank God we have the pump the brakes crew to squash anyone getting excited.

[cam_calderon]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

What actual value is there in lowering expectations and being less excited?

You've never heard the term managing people's expectations? What has he really shown to justify "hardcore" fans projecting him as a future top liner? I get that we're all pretty desperate for a way out of the abyss, but I don't think an undersized winger is the messiah.

A consistent 20 or 25 goal scorer on the second line is probably above average output for a guy picked at 28, to me that seems more realistic, and would be a good result.

[Mightyfire89]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

We probably need to pump the brakes a bit. He's been hot in his last five but still too small a sample size to conclude much from his NHL play.

Most scouting reports I read on him had him as a middle six winger. Personally I think that's where he ends up, a good complementary piece that probably can hang on the top line if needed. We should still be prioritising McKenna or Stennberg if the scouts don't believe there's a proper 1C in the 26 draft, which the consensus says there isn't.

Pioneering the art of wet blanketry Far too early for an opinion like that.

[cam_calderon]

Originally Posted by Mightyfire89

Pioneering the art of wet blanketry Far too early for an opinion like that.

Definitely not a pioneer, you probably need to consult a dictionary. Just as easy to say it's too early to bust in your pants over Gridin as well.

[D as in David]

6'1" and 190lbs is undersized now?

[cam_calderon]

Originally Posted by D as in David

6'1" and 190lbs is undersized now?

Does he look 190 to you? Like a lot of players' measurements that seems inflated, probably 180 to 185.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

Does he look 190 to you? Like a lot of players' measurements that seems inflated, probably 180 to 185.

Yes but then I don't have the eye that you do to be able to spot 5 less lbs on a player.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

You've never heard the term managing people's expectations? What has he really shown to justify "hardcore" fans projecting him as a future top liner? I get that we're all pretty desperate for a way out of the abyss, but I don't think an undersized winger is the messiah.

A consistent 20 or 25 goal scorer on the second line is probably above average output for a guy picked at 28, to me that seems more realistic, and would be a good result.

Undersized? Starting to think you haven't even read these scouting reports.

[cam_calderon]

You should probably look into LASIK.

[Mightyfire89]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

Definitely not a pioneer, you probably need to consult a dictionary. Just as easy to say it's too early to bust in your pants over Gridin as well.

I see you’re not a fan of Mad Men. The dictionary jab is very juvenile. Also, I’m not at all busting in my pants over Gridin. Just saying it’s much too early to make any sort of judgement, one way or another.

[cam_calderon]

Originally Posted by Mightyfire89

I see you’re not a fan of Mad Men. The dictionary jab is very juvenile. Also, I’m not at all busting in my pants over Gridin. Just saying it’s much too early to make any sort of judgement, one way or another.

I'm actually a big fan, I don't know how I missed that. The scene where they're smoking weed on the weekend in the office right?

And it wasn't even that, it's Joey drawing the picture of Joan. I have brought shame upon my family.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

How are they irrelevant? Because he's played less than a season of pro games across the A and the NHL? They are paid to evaluate players, they're not just making things up.
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Yeah but, that was two years ago, kinda moot now. When Girdin was drafted there were questions about his two-way game, skating and hesitation to engage physically, he's improved in all those areas of the game. When draft he was 6'1 185 points and at training camp this fall he was 6'2 195 if I recall correctly. Wouldn't be at all surprising to see him come in between 200-205 next traning camp and he continues to develop. Wilingness to engage hasn't been an issue and he was a noted two-way player in the QMJHL last season, playing on the PK as well.

The fact you called him undersized is actually insane too be honest.

[cam_calderon]

Alright, willing to concede size is probably not gonna be an issue for Gridin.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

You've never heard the term managing people's expectations? What has he really shown to justify "hardcore" fans projecting him as a future top liner? I get that we're all pretty desperate for a way out of the abyss, but I don't think an undersized winger is the messiah.

A consistent 20 or 25 goal scorer on the second line is probably above average output for a guy picked at 28, to me that seems more realistic, and would be a good result.

I have. Why are you trying to manage people’s expectations/why are you pretending to care?

[cam_calderon]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I have. Why are you trying to manage people’s expectations/why are you pretending to care?

I think people are a little desperate for our picks to work out, given the bleak outlook for the club. Getting your hopes up is a recipe for disappointment.

[dino7c]

All I said is people are sleeping on him...this "debate" confrims my thinking

Guy has all world skill, did you catch the All Star Game? AHL is not an easy league at 19. I say scouting is irrelevant now because it doesn't matter anymore. Guy has been great in the CHL, AHL, and looks to be holding his own in the NHL since his draft year. What did the scouts think of Theo, Gaudreau, Datsyuk, Wolf, Kaprizov...they thought players like Yakapov, Daigle, Puljujarvi, ect. were better.

After you are drafted it doesn't matter much anymore...in a re-draft I gurantee he goes higher, that is kinda the point.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

I think people are a little desperate for our picks to work out, given the bleak outlook for the club.

You come across like you're desperate for those picks not to work out so that the outlook for the club can be bleak.

I don't think there's a bleak outlook at all. People who specialize in analysing the draft and prospects are coming around to the view that the Flames have one of the best prospect pools in the league now, and they are continuing to accumulate extra picks. The team will be ugly for a few years until (some of) those picks turn into players, but I don't consider that bleak.

Bleak is what they're facing in Vancouver, where they are short of picks and prospects, the team unexpectedly stinks, and they just had to trade away their best player because he demanded to get out.