2025/2026 Season Trade Rumours and Speculation Thread

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

Rumour has it he's a pretty big wheel down at the cracker factory.

The dig by Marge saying “flames haven’t been good in years” while true , kinda hurt to hear.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Spurly

To the essentially crowd, next time you go to buy a car and it’s 42,500.
Would you be ok with the salesman saying, well it’s essentially 45000, so pay up.

One number is not essentially a different number.

That's not a very good analogy because those have a clear difference in value.

It would be more like I have ten cars, they're all $20,000, you're hoping to pick the one that will last longest, and you get the first choice of which one you want.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

Haha this was the argument! Nobody is saying the Vegas 1st may have just as well been a Vegas 2nd. Nobody is saying we basically got a late 2nd for Andersson.

"The Vegas 1st is late, there's little difference in value between a late 1st and an early 2nd"

Response: "Well actually, an early 2nd isn't even available in trade!"

Huh? What are you guys even arguing about? You've lost the plot.

But if a 28th overall pick is essentially a 34th overall pick it is also essentially a 22nd overall pick which really means we got a mid 1st round pick for Rasmus.

[Bingo]

A person that says essentially a second is trying to water down a trade result because he doesn't like the trade.

The motives are already suspect.

A person comparing a late 1st round pick to an early 2nd round pick is assessing two asset values and that's fair game.

But as others have said ... team X is in 5th place, they have the 28th pick in the first round and the 60th pick in the second round. You trade with that team and you don't have an indifference between their 1st and 2nd. So the whole point is silly from the start.

[D as in David]

Teams rarely want to pick players that other teams want. That's why we consistently see teams move up from later picks to earlier picks without providing any additional compensation. 34th gets you 28th every time. If the Flames are the team that wants McKenna, they could use a later-round pick to grab him. It's a coincidence that highly desired players get picked early.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

But it is:

You proved my point.

[Sylvanfan]

In the Anderson trade the dynamic of this year's first affecting a second or first next year adds a lot more variation. On its own you much prefer a first to a second because it's 32 slots. But two straight picks at 32 is technically worth less than a 21 and a 64 according to a chart that Matt Perri at Puckpedia did. We need Vegas to be like last year's Panthers where they get in as a lower seed and either win the cup or lose by round 2. At this time it looks like the Vegas pick is in the 21 to 32 range. So cheer against the likely result of that pick ending up in the 26 to 29 range.

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by Bingo

A person that says essentially a second is trying to water down a trade result because he doesn't like the trade.

The motives are already suspect.

A person comparing a late 1st round pick to an early 2nd round pick is assessing two asset values and that's fair game.

But as others have said ... team X is in 5th place, they have the 28th pick in the first round and the 60th pick in the second round. You trade with that team and you don't have an indifference between their 1st and 2nd. So the whole point is silly from the start.

But as I said, this last paragraph about trading for a 2nd with the same team was never the point.

[dino7c]

Pretty sure it was the guy who was spouting off about Ras not being worth a first for months who started it. Anyway its dumb convo a first is a first is a first.

Lets move on

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

But as I said, this last paragraph about trading for a 2nd with the same team was never the point.

The point was to make the trade sound worse than it was. There’d be a semblance of a point if a team with a high second wanted Andersson.

[united]

The delta in expected value between 28 and 34 is the same as the expected value of 84 itself so saying 28 is essentially a 2nd is not accurate. 28 being essentially a high 2nd + mid 3rd has more validity but what an odd way to message to something.

[united]

Who could forget the Canucks trading Cory Schneider to the Devils in exchange for essentially 30 7th-round picks? Crazy trade.

[Mitch]

Originally Posted by united

Who could forget the Canucks trading Cory Schneider to the Devils in exchange for essentially 30 7th-round picks? Crazy trade.

He was traded for the pick that became Bo Horvat? 9th overall

Edit: whoosh

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Mitch

He was traded for the pick that became Bo Horvat? 9th overall

That's the joke. Since the topic du jour here is pick value.

[Ped]

Geez, the higher the pick, the better the chance to get the player you want. That's really all that needs to be said.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Bingo

A person that says essentially a second is trying to water down a trade result because he doesn't like the trade.

The motives are already suspect.

Are they? Are they any more suspect than the ultra-positive water carriers who fail to see the obvious failures in deals until multi-years later? I don't think so. The water carriers are more annoying to me (IMO) because they support the mistakes that continue to go with this organization since 1989. I've always felt management should be held accountable season-to-season, and three strikes and they're out.

For example, Treliving should have been cut loose long before he turned his back on the team because he had proven he was an incompetent manager of assets and contracts. It still blows my mind that some here still defend him as he's move to Toronto and has followed the exact same playbook, much to the Leafs demise and lack of future. When management isn't held accountable the team will continue to head in poor directions.

A person comparing a late 1st round pick to an early 2nd round pick is assessing two asset values and that's fair game.

That's the approach to take. Each pick must be measured on its likelihood of becoming a player for the team. Sadly, with the expansion of the league and the number of picks increasing over time, those picks have been watered down and early picks in 2nd round have become later 1st rounders. The potential for those picks to turn into a player aren't that much different. The goal of management is to get the best draft picks that can aid in the construction of the future. Kicking picks two or three seasons down the road is a failure in my books, but that is just my opinion. Some may like it and see the 1st attached and get hard over it. It is where the pick is, whether is helps the team drive that pick later in the draft, and the ultimate quality of the draft. Lots of moving parts that need to be evaluated.

But as others have said ... team X is in 5th place, they have the 28th pick in the first round and the 60th pick in the second round. You trade with that team and you don't have an indifference between their 1st and 2nd. So the whole point is silly from the start.

In your opinion, oh camel of the Flames' desert. The concerns are just as valid as any argument. Debate the point and consider how the evaluation is conducted and argued. Obviously you want pick 28 and not 60, but there may be other issues in evaluation of the draft quality, other components included, and how far out the picks are.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Teams rarely want to pick players that other teams want. That's why we consistently see teams move up from later picks to earlier picks without providing any additional compensation. 34th gets you 28th every time. If the Flames are the team that wants McKenna, they could use a later-round pick to grab him. It's a coincidence that highly desired players get picked early.

It's an exponential decay curve, when it comes to value, so that wouldn't quite work that way.

Spoiler!

I think both sides are right, and at this point are just arguing for the sake of arguing. A late 1st is better than an early 2nd. That said, you're likely going to get a pretty similar player a couple of picks later. I'm certain the Flames would've loved to get a 1st in the early-late teens, but teams fighting to get into the playoffs rarely give up 1sts for rentals.

[Bert]

People who post pictures that are too big make this site unreadable. ^^ for example and the last page too.

Brutal for phone users

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Bert

People who post pictures that are too big make this site unreadable. ^^ for example and the last page too.

Brutal for phone users

I've never had that problem on my phone, so I'll add the spoiler tags more often. I'm using Firefox, and it's great.

[memphusk]

This Rumours thread is on the verge of flat/round world arguments. Fascinating.