This seems like a disaster in the making. I haven't see his teams play, but if he's going to come in set up really defensively, they better win. Fans are going to hate this.
And frankly, Locke your resume must be terrible! This process was led by Lange and the ex-gooner, and those two idiots haven't got a clue what they're doing. How did you not get this job?
This seems like a disaster in the making. I haven't see his teams play, but if he's going to come in set up really defensively, they better win. Fans are going to hate this.
And frankly, Locke your resume must be terrible! This process was led by Lange and the ex-gooner, and those two idiots haven't got a clue what they're doing. How did you not get this job?
Apparently coaching Elite youth soccer in Calgary for a few years doesn't carry a lot of water in London....
And their water sucks!
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Spurs at this point are very much a team that wants to pretend like they are a big team that is in the same class of Liverpool, City, Arsenal, United, Chelsea but also refuse to spend and invest the way those teams do.
But also don't build a strong culture, youth set up. and style of play like some of the more succcessful smaller clubs do.
Ange was a manager who installed a free-flowing, attacking style (almost to a fault at times), and they became one of the most dominant teams in the league in terms of possession in his first season. Over 60% is crazy. Now they are pretty much back at pre-Ange levels, and that won't improve with Tudor.
Like cam_cameron said, it's still Ange's squad at heart. What type of football do you actually want to play? Seems like a crazy flip-flop between managers who preach offense or defense.
I think Supermatt's post about the club's lack of identity is absolutely bang on. In fact, it's a wonder they've been able to perform in Europe the last two seasons.
I feel like some of this is driven by the desperation to get an annual CL spot, and that you become more committed to chasing fourth/fifth place every year over trying to truly build something, even if it means spending a few years in midtable territory. For instance, for winning Europa League last year I think Spurs got about €40 million, but this year in CL, just by finishing where they did in the group stage, they've already earned more than that and could end up with more than double the revenue in the end. So it puts pressure on a club like Spurs to essentially try and "Keep up with the Joneses" because a few years without that money can make them feel even more left behind.
Arsenal are the only recent club I can think of who had a multi-year rebuild where they stuck it out with the same manager, even with a slow build and a few moments of frustration (like missing out on CL to Spurs in 2022). Even more than identity you need a vision and a plan and the willingness to stick to it. Arsenal did and it paid off with a consistently top team for years. We can mock them for not winning anything yet, but at least they've given themselves an extended window of being competitive.
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Well Spurs had that window of opportunity”being competitive”. We made CL several years in a row, had a few cup runs in various competitions and we still didn’t stick with a manager for the long term. To me, a lot of the issue is at the top. They want the money and earnings, and don’t really care that much about winning things and building the actual team.
Those Ange stats are interesting. I was part of the Ange out side, based on the league performance. But the truth is, I could’ve been wrong on that. The board and management left him with a pathetic squad for the competitions, and that happened two years in a row. Looking at the injuries we have today, they’ve done it again. The transfer policy and wage structure makes it impossible to get quality players, and enough of them.
It's what I mean about the board pretending like they are on the same level of the big club though.
A smaller club would have accepted they didn't have enough talent to compete both domestically and in Europe and would have accepted Ange prioritizing Europe and winning their first title in decades and qualifying for Champions League.
Instead though they like to pretend like they are Chelsea and expect top performance in both competitions even though they never invested in the squad enough to do that and just keep firing managers.
They get in their own heads and think "Chelsea/United/Liverpool/Arsenal etc wouldn't have let this happen and would fire the manager" and then let their inferiority complex force them to make bad decisions.
And also ignore the fact that teams like Liverpool and Arsenal are having success because they let their managers have time to actually build an identity and have patience.
Klopp finished 8th, 4th, 4th in his first 3 seasons. Arteta went 8th, 8th, 5th, I feel like Spurs might have not been patient enough in those same scenarios.
Ange was in the process of building an identity for Spurs but then everyone got impatient, fans included.
Frank probably needed to go, since they are in the relegation battle, but even for him they have been pretty good in Europe finishing 4th in the table for champions league but then struggled domestically. Just not enough depth to compete on both fronts.
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We live in an impatient era so it's just tougher to go with a long strategy. I remember when Arsenal lost out on UCL in 2022 and, especially because it was Spurs who beat them to it, a lot of their fans were ready to move on from Arteta then. Took guts to stay with him and it's worked out pretty good. We've seen it with United too, not that I think Amorim or ten Hag or even van Gaal were good enough, but two years or less is a huge ask to turn a freighter around. But, part of what drives ownership impatience is, again, money. Sticking with a long strategy can mean missing out on lots of money in the short term. You gotta have a committed owner if you want to win, and losing money is part of that commitment.
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See, the problem for Spurs is that they haven’t been patient, but at the same time they kept Frank for too long. It’s a balancing act. They could’ve justified keeping Ange (he got 5th the first year, won a trophy the second and of course that’s not terrible). Frank though, had the team dropping points against Wolves, Burnley, West Ham, etc. Had he gotten results there, he would’ve had the team midtable and saved his job.
He didn’t have the players in his side, evidently, whereas the players loved Ange. It’s really remarkable how completely opposite things were between those two regimes.
I hope Tudor can get some buy-in and win 3/4 out of the gate. That would be enough for us to climb away from relegation talk and instill some stability and confidence.
I’m coming at this genuinely - Spurs should’ve stuck with Ange. He worked within the parameters he was given and won something. If he had approached things differently, Spurs would’ve placed higher in the League, but if they did, it would be upper mid table. The bottom three in the league were so bad and far off the pace, there was never any danger of relegation.
So he approached it right in my opinion, he had an opportunity to establish his brand on the team without danger of troubling either end of the table while delivering the first trophy in years. You can argue that, in Europe, Spurs had a fortunate draw, but thats not their fault - you can only beat what’s in front of you, and Ange's team did that.
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