Poll request - where will Kadri be traded?

[OILFAN #81]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Where Kadri goes depends on if the Flames will retain salary. If not, I think teams like Dallas, Colorado, LA, Vegas will be out of the mix.

No salary retained I think it will be Tampa, SJ or Utah

SJ does not have Kadri on their board.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Unless it's to help knock Edmonton out of the playoffs, I don't think Calgary should be trading with San Jose. Let them mire in mediocrity and let their kids learn to lose more than win!

[Gugstanley]

I like Utah's prospect depth if Conroy can make something happen with them. Throw in Lomberg, Utah plays small and gets pushed around a lot. At least Lomberg is game go with anyone.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

No matter what line Hitler played on.

I read that post a couple of times and still don't understand the Hitler reference. What team was Hitler on for that series?

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Utah has a ton of prospect and draft capital. They don't need to trade one of their best pieces, they will be able to assemble compelling offers from what else they have.

- They've got one first, and 3 2nds, this year.
- They've got one first, one 2nd next year
- They've got a bevy of other prospects to put on the table: Simashev, Lamoureux, But, Beaudoin

I just don't see them being willing to move Iginla or Desnoyers when they have so much powder in the keg to use instead

Depends on what the Mammoth want out of the Flames. If they want Kadri with full retention then I doubt Conroy settles for a package of parts. If they want Whitecloud too then that is an even bigger return.

If the main pieces they put forward is Beaudoin and a 1st in the 20s then I doubt Conroy gives them 4 retention slots or Whitecloud. At that point this year's retention slot is better used to beef up Coleman's value (not to mention the following 3 years of retention slots) and Whitecloud can be dealt separately elsewhere for more value.

Kadri (50% retained) + Whitecloud + Cooley + Vegas 1st for Desnoyers + Vanecek

or

Kadri for Beaudoin + 2026 1st

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Unless it's to help knock Edmonton out of the playoffs, I don't think Calgary should be trading with San Jose. Let them mire in mediocrity and let their kids learn to lose more than win!

I would rather drain them of assets and give them a 36-year-old than let them use those assets for someone better long term.

What does Celebrini's next deal look like? $18M a year?

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I would rather drain them of assets and give them a 36-year-old than let them use those assets for someone better long term.

What does Celebrini's next deal look like? $18M a year?

Just coming off his ELC? You have to think he gives them a deal on his RFA years.... $15M for 7 years? That is like 5 RFA years and 2 UFA years?

Smith's contract comes up at the same time. I can see him waiting for Celebrini to go first and then ask for $10-12M.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Depends on what the Mammoth want out of the Flames. If they want Kadri with full retention then I doubt Conroy settles for a package of parts. If they want Whitecloud too then that is an even bigger return.

If the main pieces they put forward is Beaudoin and a 1st in the 20s then I doubt Conroy gives them 4 retention slots or Whitecloud. At that point this year's retention slot is better used to beef up Coleman's value (not to mention the following 3 years of retention slots) and Whitecloud can be dealt separately elsewhere for more value.

Kadri (50% retained) + Whitecloud + Cooley + Vegas 1st for Desnoyers + Vanecek

or

Kadri for Beaudoin + 2026 1st

Desnoyers ain't worth all that.

The second one is simpler and better. Probably Kerfoot also getting thrown in and us giving an expiring AHL/ECHL contract back.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Just coming off his ELC? You have to think he gives them a deal on his RFA years.... $15M for 7 years? That is like 5 RFA years and 2 UFA years?

Smith's contract comes up at the same time. I can see him waiting for Celebrini to go first and then ask for $10-12M.

Why would he give them a deal. That usually comes when a player has already made their big money.

He will get a blank cheque similar to McDavid.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I read that post a couple of times and still don't understand the Hitler reference. What team was Hitler on for that series?

My only guess is he's referring to Hudler being on Calgary's top line.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Desnoyers ain't worth all that.

The second one is simpler and better. Probably Kerfoot also getting thrown in and us giving an expiring AHL/ECHL contract back.

Desnoyers is worth that to the Flames. The question is really whether or not a package that big gets the Mammoth to consider it. Logically it works for both teams: Flames get a prospect they need and Mammoth get an injection of skill in key positions, playoff experience, and GAF that can help them through multiple playoff runs.

The second deal is significantly worse. Beaudoin is interesting but I doubt he becomes a top line C, which means the Flames are getting more of the same level of assets that they already have. The additional late 1st round pick probably gets another middle 6 forward, which again generates more of the same without addressing the big need.

Of course, the biggest wrench in the idea is Kadri. Chances are good that he wouldn't want to go to Utah and then we are back to square 1.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Unless it's to help knock Edmonton out of the playoffs, I don't think Calgary should be trading with San Jose. Let them mire in mediocrity and let their kids learn to lose more than win!

The Coil's grip on a playoff spot is tenuous right now. Absolutely help their competition knock them out.

LA has already loaded up with Panarin. It will take a team effort but the Ducks, Sharks, Kings and Kraken can do it.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Desnoyers ain't worth all that.

The second one is simpler and better. Probably Kerfoot also getting thrown in and us giving an expiring AHL/ECHL contract back.

He's easily worth that.

That's basically three late first rounders plus Cooley and a B prospect (Kadri is worth 1st plus B prospect; Whitecloud maybe a 1st) for the 4th overall pick.

It's doubtful they'd do a quantity for quality deal like that, but it's certainly not too much. It's probably too little.

[dino7c]

I don't think SJ is good enough to be trading for vets but whatever...if they have the best offer you take it

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I don't think SJ is good enough to be trading for vets but whatever...if they have the best offer you take it

I doubt SJ would trade big assets for Kadri, but if the Flames refuse to retain salary that could knock out some teams in the mix.

I could see SJ or Utah sneaking in and paying less and not asking for salary retention as they don't need it right now or next year.

Tampa could trade for him as well and Bjorkstrand coming back should allow them to add Kadri. Tampa cap situation next year is pretty good they could just pay Kadri his full $7M

Carolina too, but some are saying Kadri has them on his no trade list

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I doubt SJ would trade big assets for Kadri, but if the Flames refuse to retain salary that could knock out some teams in the mix.

I could see SJ or Utah sneaking in and paying less and not asking for salary retention as they don't need it right now or next year.

Tampa could trade for him as well and Bjorkstrand coming back should allow them to add Kadri. Tampa cap situation next year is pretty good they could just pay Kadri his full $7M

Carolina too, but some are saying Kadri has them on his no trade list

Kyprios said this, pretty firmly.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Desnoyers is worth that to the Flames. The question is really whether or not a package that big gets the Mammoth to consider it. Logically it works for both teams: Flames get a prospect they need and Mammoth get an injection of skill in key positions, playoff experience, and GAF that can help them through multiple playoff runs.

The second deal is significantly worse. Beaudoin is interesting but I doubt he becomes a top line C, which means the Flames are getting more of the same level of assets that they already have. The additional late 1st round pick probably gets another middle 6 forward, which again generates more of the same without addressing the big need.

Of course, the biggest wrench in the idea is Kadri. Chances are good that he wouldn't want to go to Utah and then we are back to square 1.

Originally Posted by YyjFlames

He's easily worth that.

That's basically three late first rounders plus Cooley and a B prospect (Kadri is worth 1st plus B prospect; Whitecloud maybe a 1st) for the 4th overall pick.

It's doubtful they'd do a quantity for quality deal like that, but it's certainly not too much. It's probably too little.

So Utah wouldn’t do it then. Beaudoin is your best bet.

[dissentowner]

My top 3 guesses from what I have heard are

1. Detroit
2. Montreal
3. Minnesota


I do not think Kadri wants to go anywhere to far into the US.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

So was Iggy a saviour or not? Hard to tell from your post.

The Iginla worship needs to end . It been 20 years ago now . Get the #### over it. Canadian markets just clinging on the the littlest thing.His first kid in the nhl has no where near as good as stats as the og. Let the thought die .

It's boomer ( and a bit super young millennial) nostalgia when an iginlas brought uo. Let that past die it's not that good.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

The Iginla worship needs to end . It been 20 years ago now . Get the #### over it. Canadian markets just clinging on the the littlest thing.His first kid in the nhl has no where near as good as stats as the og. Let the thought die .

It's boomer ( and a bit super young millennial) nostalgia when an iginlas brought uo. Let that past die it's not that good.

Deeply offended you skipped right over Gen X ....