The way in which some advocates for separation in Alberta envision the secession process should be of great concern to Albertans and everyone else. Unlike the vast majority of democratic states, Canada does not consider itself indivisible. The secession of a province is possible, but not unilaterally. A clear majority vote in a referendum would need to be established in favour of a clear question on secession and on that basis, the provincial government would have a democratic mandate to seek negotiations with the rest of Canada for a constitutional amendment that, if ratified, might permit secession to take place by lawful means.
A store in my town has apparently agreed to be a site for the separation petition. That store is now dead to my entire family.
I bring this up as it has been a breaking point for my father, he's struggling to sleep because of all this and the rampant corruption of the UCP. He's a senior and see's all of this as it is, fascism and economic ruin come to destroy his retirement and the future of his sons and grandchildren.
Things are going to get very tense come April when the courts start to hear the court case that the treaty bands have brought against the separatists. This all reminds me of what happened in Ukraine.
General just of the conversation in my opinion is the short term downside risk on Oil demand is greater than people think, but the tail is also likely greater than people think. The most likely direction of things is something akin to the telephone wire or newspaper industries where existing investment can continue to extract profit for private shareholders, but the case for investment is going to be very weak, and even with government support, returns are more likely to steer towards private interests than public coffers.
At the very least with these guys, people can't credibly make the argument that they don't know what they are talking about and retreat from the discourse in victory knowing that in claiming they are industry experts they don't need to engage in arguments with us rubes that don't know what we are saying. They might actually have to try to formulate some counter reasoning, if they want to deny what they are saying.
The change means people on International Experience Canada (IEC) Type 58 work permits, including working holiday and young professional visa holders, are no longer eligible for Alberta’s public health system.
Alberta is now an outlier among western provinces. British Columbia, Saskatchewan and Manitoba all confirmed to CBC News that Type 58 visa holders are eligible for public health coverage in their provinces.
Neill-Tadman says what makes it worse is that foreign workers were given no time to prepare for the change.
"You've got to communicate with people, and you've got to have respect for people," he says.
lol at the idea of the UCP having respect for people. ####ing UCP.
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The change means people on International Experience Canada (IEC) Type 58 work permits, including working holiday and young professional visa holders, are no longer eligible for Alberta’s public health system.
Alberta is now an outlier among western provinces. British Columbia, Saskatchewan and Manitoba all confirmed to CBC News that Type 58 visa holders are eligible for public health coverage in their provinces.
Neill-Tadman says what makes it worse is that foreign workers were given no time to prepare for the change.
"You've got to communicate with people, and you've got to have respect for people," he says.
lol at the idea of the UCP having respect for people. ####ing UCP.
Do people on "International Experience Canada (IEC) Type 58 work permits, including working holiday and young professional visa holders" have provincial tax deducted?
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Do people on "International Experience Canada (IEC) Type 58 work permits, including working holiday and young professional visa holders" have provincial tax deducted?
I read that they do, yes.
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Alberta’s chief justice is investigating the conduct of two judges after the Investigative Journalism Foundation uncovered evidence suggesting they gave money to the United Conservative Party after being appointed to the provincial court bench.
Judge Daniel Robert Pahl was appointed to the Alberta Court of Justice in 2002 and again in 2013 and currently sits in Calgary as a supernumerary, or part-time, judge. Records from Elections Alberta show someone with the same name made financial contributions to the UCP from Calgary in 2018, 2022 and 2023, totalling $3,535.
Judge Gordon Kenneth Hatch was appointed in 2021 and sits in Camrose. Someone in Camrose with an identical name gave $262.50 to the UCP in 2022, according to the party’s quarterly contributions report.
Partisan behaviour like this would run against the ethical standards for judges.
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The change means people on International Experience Canada (IEC) Type 58 work permits, including working holiday and young professional visa holders, are no longer eligible for Alberta’s public health system.
Alberta is now an outlier among western provinces. British Columbia, Saskatchewan and Manitoba all confirmed to CBC News that Type 58 visa holders are eligible for public health coverage in their provinces.
Neill-Tadman says what makes it worse is that foreign workers were given no time to prepare for the change.
"You've got to communicate with people, and you've got to have respect for people," he says.
lol at the idea of the UCP having respect for people. ####ing UCP.
Other than perhaps the short notice I don't think I have much of an issue with this. To obtain a visa requires purchasing private insurance, coverage is still available. How is this different than when a Canadian goes to another country on a temporary visa and has to obtain insurance? I would not expect the host country to pay for it.
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Other than perhaps the short notice I don't think I have much of an issue with this. To obtain a visa requires purchasing private insurance, coverage is still available. How is this different than when a Canadian goes to another country on a temporary visa and has to obtain insurance? I would not expect the host country to pay for it.
If you go to a host country to work and in working you pay taxes and those taxes go to the government and that government then uses the tax money to provide public health care... then why shouldn't you get in on it while you are there paying taxes and contributing to it?
Its not like they get a lower tax bracket that is the "no public healthcare" tax. All they really get is lower wages.
If you go to a horrible country that doesn't have health care then that is on you but it does not justify this action from the Alberta government that is largely racist and unprecedented in Canada (and possibly illegal). All that does is make Alberta a horrible place to go to.
"Alberta is calling... but we'll try to kill you in the hospital if you ever need to go and if that doesn't work then we'll stick you with crippling medical debt".
Disgusting. (Not you, the UCP)
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Parents can now see medical records of Alberta teens, sparking worry among doctors
Online health information, including prescriptions, test results, now accessible up to age 18
Parents can now see medical records of Alberta teens, sparking worry among doctors
Online health information, including prescriptions, test results, now accessible up to age 18
Oh good, now ####bag parents can work against the interest of their kids to get things like birth control. Yet another change that will almost exclusively negatively impact female teens following hot on the heels of the genderspections law that targets girls above the age of 12.
Forgetting for a moment that contraceptives are a good idea, a lot of young women get onto birth control just to control their periods and try to make them more manageable.
The UCP continues to find new ways to attack people, make lives worse, and do things that nobody asked for.
The NDP shopping list of things that they need to undo is going to be huge. They won't even get to do anything fun and interesting, their first term is likely just going to be trying to un#### all of the ####ery that the UCP is doing.
Anyone supporting this should be ashamed.
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Good luck getting BC First Nations agreement in building another pipeline while totally disregarding Alberta First Nations to brute force the separation referendum..
Interesting comment in there about how the PMO "has a plan" for dealing with the separation threat.
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If you go to a host country to work and in working you pay taxes and those taxes go to the government and that government then uses the tax money to provide public health care... then why shouldn't you get in on it while you are there paying taxes and contributing to it?
Its not like they get a lower tax bracket that is the "no public healthcare" tax. All they really get is lower wages.
If you go to a horrible country that doesn't have health care then that is on you but it does not justify this action from the Alberta government that is largely racist and unprecedented in Canada (and possibly illegal). All that does is make Alberta a horrible place to go to.
"Alberta is calling... but we'll try to kill you in the hospital if you ever need to go and if that doesn't work then we'll stick you with crippling medical debt".
Disgusting. (Not you, the UCP)
Do you want to give them a right to vote as well? No taxation without representation, am I right? What about schools? They pay taxes which fund schools but under the program they aren't allowed to bring dependents here. Should they get a discount on taxes because schools are something they will not benefit from?
Do you want to give them a right to vote as well? No taxation without representation, am I right? What about schools? They pay taxes which fund schools but under the program they aren't allowed to bring dependents here. Should they get a discount on taxes because schools are something they will not benefit from?
If you are going to make people pay(tax) for stuff, should they not be able to use it?
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Do you want to give them a right to vote as well? No taxation without representation, am I right? What about schools? They pay taxes which fund schools but under the program they aren't allowed to bring dependents here. Should they get a discount on taxes because schools are something they will not benefit from?
I don't have kids, but I pay an education tax every year. Should I demand a refund? I went 18 years without a vote for representation.
You know there are rational reasons for these things, right?
You also know what party we are dealing with, and the pressure they feel from their Christofascit base to attack foreigners of any type in any way they can? So, you know, this is right on brand for them. And if you support this decision, you are also supporting the racist reasons behind why they are doing it and an attack on immigrants, firmly rooted in white supremacy. And that would make you a pretty ####ty person. But I'm sure you only support it for the tax reasons. Which is pretty ####ty for it's own reasons, because it's the same FYGM attitude that the perpetual snowflakes espouse.
Maybe we should do the right thing for future citizens to build a stable, balanced, more equal society?
Naw, #### the immigrants. What are they doing getting sick anyway?
Thinly veiled bull####. Always good to out the people who support these views though.
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Other than perhaps the short notice I don't think I have much of an issue with this. To obtain a visa requires purchasing private insurance, coverage is still available. How is this different than when a Canadian goes to another country on a temporary visa and has to obtain insurance? I would not expect the host country to pay for it.
They probably should not pay taxes either then. Could be a win-win, the rednecks who don’t want to “pay” for foreigners health care don’t have to anymore and the foreigner can save on paying the taxes. But to have the foreigner come in and have to pay for some lazy locals health care through their taxes seems to be unfair.
I don't have kids, but I pay an education tax every year. Should I demand a refund? I went 18 years without a vote for representation.
You know there are rational reasons for these things, right?
You also know what party we are dealing with, and the pressure they feel from their Christofascit base to attack foreigners of any type in any way they can? So, you know, this is right on brand for them. And if you support this decision, you are also supporting the racist reasons behind why they are doing it and an attack on immigrants, firmly rooted in white supremacy. And that would make you a pretty ####ty person. But I'm sure you only support it for the tax reasons. Which is pretty ####ty for it's own reasons, because it's the same FYGM attitude that the perpetual snowflakes espouse.
Maybe we should do the right thing for future citizens to build a stable, balanced, more equal society?
Naw, #### the immigrants. What are they doing getting sick anyway?
Thinly veiled bull####. Always good to out the people who support these views though.
It's almost as if certain things actually come as a benefit of being a citizen of a country. A young working holiday in another country is a privilege and a luxury that many people can't actually experience and the visitors need to be prepared to take care of themselves. In Australia, they don't offer Medicare for working holiday visa participants from Canada.
It's almost as if certain things actually come as a benefit of being a citizen of a country. A young working holiday in another country is a privilege and a luxury that many people can't actually experience and the visitors need to be prepared to take care of themselves. In Australia, they don't offer Medicare for working holiday visa participants from Canada.
You acknowledge this is being done for racist anti-immigrant reasons, right? Right?
You acknowledge this is being done for racist anti-immigrant reasons, right? Right?
Maybe there are some underpinnings of anti-immigration but realistically it is about trying to find ways to pinch pennies even though this would result in negligible savings. Racist, no.it doesn't always boil down to racism like you and others jump on every time. You hit on all your key buzzwords in that previous post of yours but you forgot about Nazi. I'm disappointed you didn't work that into your diatribe.
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Maybe there are some underpinnings of anti-immigration but realistically it is about trying to find ways to pinch pennies even though this would result in negligible savings. Racist, no.it doesn't always boil down to racism like you and others jump on every time. You hit on all your key buzzwords in that previous post of yours but you forgot about Nazi. I'm disappointed you didn't work that into your diatribe.
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Over the course of a two-hour-long conference call in August, two leaders of Canadian groups that experts have described as white nationalist and eager audience members bantered about deporting 10 million people, decried the existence of mixed-race marriages and children and said they would “be happy to march millions of Punjabis into the Pacific Ocean.”
Speakers complained about Canadians with Italian, Greek and Ukrainian heritage who don’t fit their definition of a “heritage Canadian,” someone with preferably French or English background.
And the 14 speakers brainstormed about how to get mainstream political parties to help achieve their major goal of “remigration,” mass deportations of the people they judge aren’t truly Canadian. About 1,100 X users listened in, according to the Spaces dashboard for the event.
In the midst of the conversation, Othman Mekhloufi, a 22-year-old political staffer, spoke up. During the call, Mekhloufi — who was then working for a right-wing provincial party called OneBC — shared insights from what he claimed were contacts inside the Conservative Party of Canada.
