[News] Rasmus Andersson tells all about his emotional departure from Flames

[musth]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

I have not denied Vegas' offer was good. I am perfectly fine with it, and was merely answering a specific question:

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Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988
I wonder who caused the delay with the deal in Boston. Conroy or Sweeney.

Too bad it didn't get ironed out.

Oh, I'm just thinking out loud here.

[jlh2640]

He is a guy who should not be booed.

[curves2000]

Always loved Rasmus and his game, he worked out really well as a Flame and too bad we couldn't do anything playoff wise with his very friendly team contract! I believe at the time he was in pretty rough physical conditioning and diet wise and almost crashed his career, credit to him and his girlfriend I believe at the time for getting on track and making a solid career.

It's shocking to see some of the back and forth on contract details between teams. You got a great time, city and organization like Boston offering $63 million and there is some back and forth on this and that trade protection and hesitancy for Rasmus to sign a deal in LA or wherever. I totally understand the market, people's right to choose their own destiny and more but when it's said so openly it goes to show you how different these people are than regular working people. Most people struggling to get a 2.2% raise and a hopeful promotion and elite athletes not liking details in contracts for $100 million CAD or other athletes signing half billion contracts like nothing.

Wild! Love the player and wish him well!

[Coach]

Originally Posted by curves2000

It's shocking to see some of the back and forth on contract details between teams. You got a great time, city and organization like Boston offering $63 million and there is some back and forth on this and that trade protection and hesitancy for Rasmus to sign a deal in LA or wherever. I totally understand the market, people's right to choose their own destiny and more but when it's said so openly it goes to show you how different these people are than regular working people. Most people struggling to get a 2.2% raise and a hopeful promotion and elite athletes not liking details in contracts for $100 million CAD or other athletes signing half billion contracts like nothing.

Wild! Love the player and wish him well!

I think it's easy to forget that big big sports money for the athletes is a relatively new thing, and their collective bargaining power is something really only coming to the forefront for the past few decades. Now coming to the forefront is individual athletes worth and these older tactics about "team-first" or "legacy" or "owing the team/fans something" is really just a negotiation tactic being used by execs, no different than your company telling you that you're part of the family. Until they cut you. And some players are looking at things differently. Yes there is risk in not signing long term deals, but there's also a lot to be gained if you believe in yourself. Yes injuries can happen, but a career ending injury in the span of a few months is a pretty big rarity. So why be pressured into signing a long-term deal with a team you know very little about, in a city you know very little about when you can just wait a few months and have a relaxed choice?

Even the July 1st date is seeing less panic and I don't think that's from the teams, it's from the players just being like "why do I have to decide this TODAY?" And the argument is they'll get someone else. Like in a few hours? So they want to give me $50M but not willing to wait a couple days? Players are calling the bluff.

I remember Matthews going to Europe as a teen and thinking it was brilliant. Everyone worried about how it will impact his draft status or whatever. Meanwhile, he's just thinking I'll go make money and live in Europe instead of riding a bus between Wherever and Who Cares making $150 a week. The NHL will have me, regardless.

The older attitude lands you as McDavid. Getting conned by bad actors that are selling you nonsense to save money on you. Get your money.

[albertGQ]

Weird that EF didn't mention in the article that the original Vegas offer did not include a 1st round pick.

EF did mention it last night in his interview. Conroy had to grind to get that 1st

Good job Conny!

[Psytic]

It's a big life choice to sign with a team for that long. I respect his decision to wait until free agency before committing. He was a great Flame and turned out to be one of our all time greatest defencemen. It still amazes me how we turned Sven into gold like that. It was a really savvy pick and we need to do more deals with the Canucks because they tend to turn out well lol.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Psytic

we need to do more deals with the Canucks because they tend to turn out well lol.

Sure, but then they make bad trades with the Leafs and lose assets on that end.

One day, the Canucks and Leafs are going to figure out how to talk to each other directly, and the Canucks can blow their brains out helping the Leafs directly, without using Calgary as the middleman.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

He's pretty arrogant about the whole thing, for a guy who had limited protection and received an offer that would've given his family multi generational wealth and put him in the 20 best paid defencemen in the NHL. And he is not in the 20 best defencemen in the NHL, he's not even a No.1 on most teams.

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

Sorry, but you are not only rude and immature, but also wrong.

As someone who had real insight into this, I don't think the poster is too off the mark. Don't need to be rude about it though.

This is a puff piece by Francis and paints Rasmus in the best light.

The reality & objective truth is a bit further to the middle.

To be brutally honest, Boston didn't want to deal with him anymore but that's probably the Agent's fault. When Boston puts their best and final on the table, its take or leave it. There's no modifying trade clauses, throwing in cupcakes, cherry on top etc nonsense.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by musth

I'd like to know what that deal was, Friedman had stated it wasn't Toronto's first, but if the two players mentioned plus Boston's first, I think I would have been happy. But you can't deny that Vegas' offer was pretty good too.

Boston's offer sounded a little better (younger defender; a better prospect; the draft picks are a bit of a wash as the conditional 2nd is really for devaluing Vegas' 2026 first rounder), but it's not a ton better for the extension.

It seems like the strength of Vegas' offer compared to what the Flames would have gotten from Boston made Conroy pull the trigger quickly when Andersson's camp said no more extension talk.

If it weren't as good as it was, we'd likely still be painfully waiting for a deal to get done (which in retrospect, may have pushed Andersson back to Boston).

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

As someone who had real insight into this, I don't think the poster is too off the mark. Don't need to be rude about it though.

This is a puff piece by Francis and paints Rasmus in the best light.

The reality & objective truth is a bit further to the middle.

To be brutally honest, Boston didn't want to deal with him anymore but that's probably the Agent's fault. When Boston puts their best and final on the table, its take or leave it. There's no modifying trade clauses, throwing in cupcakes, cherry on top etc nonsense.

You're right, he did not need to be rude about it.

You also did not quote the key part of his post to which I was responding:

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

And yes it is naive to expect fans of the club who developed Fatmus Sandwhichson to kiss the ring on his way out.

[gvitaly]

Awesome interview. I'm always glad to hear what actually goes on behind the scenes. I hope no one here boos Andersson.

I'm still cheering for Vegas to lose this year. I'd rather the Flames get a pick in the teens + 2nd than 2 x 1sts in the 28-32 range. I'd also love to see Andersson test the UFA market, and not re-sign in Vegas,

[Scroopy Noopers]

I hope he’ll be back when we’re good again and retire here.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by Lewis_D

You never shut up about this and no one cares. You're a grown man, get on with your life.

Lol, guy is almost as bad as Trump talking about his 2020 rigged elections, how Joe Biden sucks, and locking Hilary up.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

As someone who had real insight into this, I don't think the poster is too off the mark. Don't need to be rude about it though.

This is a puff piece by Francis and paints Rasmus in the best light.

The reality & objective truth is a bit further to the middle.

To be brutally honest, Boston didn't want to deal with him anymore but that's probably the Agent's fault. When Boston puts their best and final on the table, its take or leave it. There's no modifying trade clauses, throwing in cupcakes, cherry on top etc nonsense.

Claude Lemieux was a PITA as a player, I'm sure it's the same as an agent.

It looks like he generally does pretty well for his clients, but I feel like guys like him and Walsh probably end up closing doors for their clients too since they are so abrasive.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

Weird that EF didn't mention in the article that the original Vegas offer did not include a 1st round pick.

EF did mention it last night in his interview. Conroy had to grind to get that 1st

Good job Conny!

I believe it was Steinberg that added that tidbit, not EF.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

He's pretty arrogant about the whole thing, for a guy who had limited protection and received an offer that would've given his family multi generational wealth and put him in the 20 best paid defencemen in the NHL. And he is not in the 20 best defencemen in the NHL, he's not even a No.1 on most teams.

And yes it is naive to expect fans of the club who developed Fatmus Sandwhichson to kiss the ring on his way out.

You're such a putz.

[Super-Rye]

Originally Posted by liamenator

So Boston spends weeks hammering out a deal with Calgary, then figures out term and dollars with Rasmus's camp, then lets it fall apart at the one-yard line over trade protection? No wonder Conroy was frustrated.

Absolutely and ultimately it seems everything happens for a reason. I was big on the "flip Whitecloud immediately" idea after the trade but Bahl looks like he's studding with Whitecloud as his partner and the increase in responsibility. The chemistry between them has been immediate. It's early days but that's a very exciting thing to see.

This interview from Ras is fantastic. Ras is an absolute beauty in my books. One of the best to ever put on a Flaming C. Stud hockey player and stud personality all rolled up into one.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Lewis_D

You never shut up about this and no one cares. You're a grown man, get on with your life.

Good. I'm glad you like the Oilers. And obviously you care. Thanks for your concern. Lol

[transplant99]

Really curious as to what the Kings offer was last summer....cuz i was "told" something around then when i was out at the lake for aweek...but it was so absurd in my mind i didnt give it a chance of being in the realm of possibility.

RA is one of the all time great Flames. Been a privilege to watch his entire journey.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Really curious as to what the Kings offer was last summer....cuz i was "told" something around then when i was out at the lake for aweek...but it was so absurd in my mind i didnt give it a chance of being in the realm of possibility.

RA is one of the all time great Flames. Been a privilege to watch his entire journey.

Didn't we hear a prospect goalie (assumed to be Carter George since they traded him later) and picks?