Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

You are most likely an NDP member both federally and provincial. I'm assuming you've reached out to the powers at be and proposed your amendment to the parties constitution to scrap the official rule on multiple memberships based on your reasoning that there are policy lessons to be learned from conservative, liberal and green members.

Really? What gave that away???? Was it when I said "join the NDP before January 28"?

Which parties are you a member of? Have you actually maintained your membership with them throughout your adult life? Or do you just sit on the sidelines and pretend you are a part of the party?

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Really? What gave that away???? Was it when I said "join the NDP before January 28"?

Which parties are you a member of? Have you actually maintained your membership with them throughout your adult life? Or do you just sit on the sidelines and pretend you are a part of the party?

I don't pretend to be part of any party. None of the parties speak to me enough to peak my interest enough and the only one that came remotely close was the Greg Clark Alberta Party. I don't need a party to define me and I evaluate what is on the table from each party at every election.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I don't pretend to be part of any party. None of the parties speak to me enough to peak my interest enough and the only one that came remotely close was the Greg Clark Alberta Party. I don't need a party to define me and I evaluate what is on the table from each party at every election.

Since you literally just made the comment to someone else, you should heed your own advice and try to contribute to the discussion better. There was no need to include belittling comments against other people to make that post.

- "I don't pretend to be a part of any party"
- "I don't need a party to define me"

You make these snide comments and then clutch your pearls when people push back on you for it.
- Joining a party and actually participating is not pretending, what you are doing is closer to pretending to be a contributor in democracy by (maybe) showing up at the ballot box.
- The parties we join shouldn't define us (lol @ Alberta conservatives). The goal of joining a party is that you participate in order to help define the party and create the best possible outcome from the collective effort.

A democracy like Canada's needs more people joining the parties and being actively engaged in order to stop small interest groups (TBA in Alberta) and Corporations from dominating the parties.

Anyway, if you don't care enough to join any party then it is pretty disingenuous for you to question other people's joining of parties. They are the ones doing the work for you to sit on the sidelines and wait for them to bring democracy to you like a meal at a restaurant and then, based on this last post of yours, you look down on them for it.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Since you literally just made the comment to someone else, you should heed your own advice and try to contribute to the discussion better. There was no need to include belittling comments against other people to make that post.

- "I don't pretend to be a part of any party"
- "I don't need a party to define me"

You make these snide comments and then clutch your pearls when people push back on you for it.

To be fair anything that isn’t following Fuzz around trying like a dog obsessed with sniffing another dog’s rear end is a genuine social improvement for our guy so asking him to actually contribute or be a worthwhile part of a conversation might be a little too much too soon.

[puffnstuff]

LOL

New York Times story titled “Canadas Conservatives Give Their Trump-Inspired Leader a Second Chance”
“Pierre Poilievre, a populist who led the Conservative Party to defeat last year, was retained as its leader on Friday, despite his dismal poll numbers.”

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Since you literally just made the comment to someone else, you should heed your own advice and try to contribute to the discussion better. There was no need to include belittling comments against other people to make that post.

- "I don't pretend to be a part of any party"
- "I don't need a party to define me"

You make these snide comments and then clutch your pearls when people push back on you for it.

You are grasping at so many straws and so far off base that it is hilarious. Where did I question or attempt to belittle you or anyone else for being part of a party? I came at you for wrongly claiming the NDP allowed for multiple memberships which is obviously against their constitution.

Snide comment? What the hell are you going on about? You took a dig at me claiming that I pretend to be part of a political party and I very clearly and honestly answered your claim indicating that I've never claimed to be part of a party and I never will make any false claims of being part of a party because it would be an incredibly stupid thing to pretend to be involved in.

[direwolf]

Lol, that NYT headline isn’t gonna help PP at all. Love that they used the word “dismal” to describe his poll numbers, haha.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

To be fair anything that isn’t following Fuzz around trying like a dog obsessed with sniffing another dog’s rear end is a genuine social improvement for our guy so asking him to actually contribute or be a worthwhile part of a conversation might be a little too much too soon.

Neat, you definitely know a lot about following people around on this forum. You're very familiar with the smell of Fuzz's ass considering all the effort you put into kissing it.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Really? What gave that away???? Was it when I said "join the NDP before January 28"?

Which parties are you a member of? Have you actually maintained your membership with them throughout your adult life? Or do you just sit on the sidelines and pretend you are a part of the party?

Hm. You make some interesting points, but I do kind of understand not wanting to be a 'Member of the Party.'

Feels a little...1933.

My vote is open. I am a member of no Party and beholden to none. My vote is open. I have to be convinced to vote one way or another, either I feel one group or another is worthy of my support based on their platforms and ideas or not.

My vote can be gained or lost equally.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Locke

Hm. You make some interesting points, but I do kind of understand not wanting to be a 'Member of the Party.'

Feels a little...1933.

My vote is open. I am a member of no Party and beholden to none. My vote is open. I have to be convinced to vote one way or another, either I feel one group or another is worthy of my support based on their platforms and ideas or not.

My vote can be gained or lost equally.

You're just a pretender in our democratic process with that attitude. For shame! You can do a lot better than that.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

You're just a pretender in our democratic process with that attitude. For shame! You can do a lot better than that.

Okay...based on the last few posts I gotta say...I'm a little lost. I feel like you're ####ing with me...but not sure if you're serious.

It could go either way.

I vote. I even went so far as to put a sign on my lawn last Provincial election because I was pretty sure where my vote was going, despite it being...lets say 'rather unpopular' in my neighbourhood.

But thats about as far as I go.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Locke

Okay...based on the last few posts I gotta say...I'm a little lost. I feel like you're ####ing with me...but not sure if you're serious.

It could go either way.

I vote. I even went so far as to put a sign on my lawn last Provincial election because I was pretty sure where my vote was going, despite it being...lets say 'rather unpopular' in my neighbourhood.

But thats about as far as I go.

According to Wolven, sitting on the sidelines and just showing up to the ballot box make is pretending to contribute to democracy. We need to follow in his footsteps to make a meaningful contribution.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

According to Wolven, sitting on the sidelines and just showing up to the ballot box make is pretending to contribute to democracy. We need to follow in his footsteps to make a meaningful contribution.

I see. Well...if they want me to make a 'Meaningful Contribution' then I'd tell them the same thing I tell everyone else.

Pay me.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Neat, you definitely know a lot about following people around on this forum. You're very familiar with the smell of Fuzz's ass considering all the effort you put into kissing it.

“I… I know what you are but w-what am I!!”

Don’t be afraid to use your brain and accidentally stumble on an original thought. I know you’re a little out of your depth without someone telling you what to think in these convos.

[Titan2]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Loss of moral superiority license.

Hahahaha. You must be new here.

The guy who supports Dani the kleptocrat/separatist claims moral superiority.

What a joke. Wow.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Locke

Hm. You make some interesting points, but I do kind of understand not wanting to be a 'Member of the Party.'

Feels a little...1933.

My vote is open. I am a member of no Party and beholden to none. My vote is open. I have to be convinced to vote one way or another, either I feel one group or another is worthy of my support based on their platforms and ideas or not.

My vote can be gained or lost equally.

I mean, what do you get for not being in a party? Less of a voice. Less input into politics. Less awareness as to what is happening. I see a lot of things you lose out on but I do not see anything that you really gain.

Being a member of a party doesn't mean that you have to vote for them in a general election. You are not beholden to them in any way shape or form. You can be a member of the CPC / LPC / NDP and vote for the Green party, or visa versa.

Like I said in the restaurant comment. Not joining any party is really like being a consumer where you show up, wait for someone else to put a menu in front of you, and then you pick one thing from the menu. Joining a party is like going into the kitchen and helping decide what is on the menu before you have to pick.

Too much of our population are wired (intentionally) to be consumers and even of the people who are more wired to be entrepreneurial, they are often "too busy" to get involved. That combination of grinding down the population, lowering their education, drowning them out in noise, all allows a smaller and smaller group of people to have control over a large scale political party. If they control the party and the party is elected to form government, then that small group will run the government.

This is how the UCP got to be what it is and I believe the CPC is basically the same kind of crappy Libertarian Authoritarianism but we haven't seen them in action because they have been so unelectable for the last decade. Keep in mind that Smith won the big seat by a "huge margin" of 10,118 votes in a province with almost 5 million people.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Locke

Okay...based on the last few posts I gotta say...I'm a little lost. I feel like you're ####ing with me...but not sure if you're serious.

It could go either way.

I vote. I even went so far as to put a sign on my lawn last Provincial election because I was pretty sure where my vote was going, despite it being...lets say 'rather unpopular' in my neighbourhood.

But thats about as far as I go.

The sign is good. Honestly. Last election we put out a non-blue sign and later on a neighbour came up to chit chat and said that they got a sign because they saw ours. They were worried about the 'unpopular' factor and that they could be targeted by members of the other team.

Setting an example helped another person feel safe enough to do the same. That's a win too in my book.

Joining the party can be the same thing. Inflate their numbers and send the signal that they are increasingly supported by the population (even if you do not go further than that in your action).

Personally, I wouldn't join the CPC or LPC right now.
- The LPC will probably auto-pilot under Carney for as long as he wants the job (2-3 terms? as long as he is PM).
- The CPC might be interesting to join should the caucus turn on PP and a leadership race be triggered... maybe next year? Or maybe not until he loses another election.

So, for now, I think the most interesting effort is to see how the NDP can be rebuilt and if they can follow in the footsteps of Zohran Mamdani to take down the big corporate backed politicians. With how crazy the world is getting and how out of control the cost of living is going to get, people are going to need to wake up to the fact that neither the Liberals or Conservatives will ever take real steps to address the issue in a meaningful way. They will stick to incremental neoliberal solutions that keep control in the hands of corporations, banks, and the elites (Billionaires).

[#-3]

Originally Posted by Wolven

The sign is good. Honestly. Last election we put out a non-blue sign and later on a neighbour came up to chit chat and said that they got a sign because they saw ours. They were worried about the 'unpopular' factor and that they could be targeted by members of the other team.

Setting an example helped another person feel safe enough to do the same. That's a win too in my book.

Joining the party can be the same thing. Inflate their numbers and send the signal that they are increasingly supported by the population (even if you do not go further than that in your action).

Well I decided to Order a Canadian Flag to mount to my house today.

And I decided to write my UPC MLA who only won by about 900 votes, asking him to denounce separatism, explaining that the very notion has already diminished our standing within Canada, risks capital flight from the province and expose us to further aggression from a foreign state that is already attacking us economically and simultaneously engaged in a campaign of violent racialized oppression of it's populous. I Explained that we are past the point of bad faith arguments hoping that other governments within Canada treat us with kid gloves because we sound like babies, now is the time for serious people to be serious if they want the respect of their constituents.

Worth putting your self out there in times like these.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Wolven

The sign is good. Honestly. Last election we put out a non-blue sign and later on a neighbour came up to chit chat and said that they got a sign because they saw ours.

Yeah, that's the principle reason that you put up a sign and why parties want you to have one. It's a personal endorsement... transforming an issue from "some generic people support X" to "My neighbor supports X" which provides social validation "It's okey for me to vote for X because other people like me are voting for X".

[Titan2]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Yeah, that's the principle reason that you put up a sign and why parties want you to have one. It's a personal endorsement... transforming an issue from "some generic people support X" to "My neighbor supports X" which provides social validation "It's okey for me to vote for X because other people like me are voting for X".

I would never vote for X.

Elon is a terrible person and even if they invent a perfect robot politician, how could you ever trust it?