[News] Kirkland and Pickard on waivers. UPD: clear. Kirkland assigned to Wranglers

[Locke]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Doubtful....he has been dreadful this year.

Really? Which Oilers goalie hasn't?

I wouldnt put much, if any, stock into Oilers goalie performances. They either have to be amazingly brilliant or they get lit up. Look at that defence and the fact that absolutely none of their forwards backcheck.

Every entry into their zone is 3 on 2.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Doubtful....he has been dreadful this year.

Know who else was dreadful? Stuart Skinner. Take a look at him now!

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

He's still a better #4C than Beecher. Not that I think it will have much of an impact on the season as a whole.

I think they're pretty equivalent 5 on 5 - neither is above replacement level.

But Beecher is a very useful PKer, and that gives him a leg up on Kirkland IMO.

[transplant99]

Behind the same team Skinner was almost a full GA better and 20 points better in save %.
There was just bad mojo with him that was festering because the team refused to acknowledge their weaknesses and blamed him.

Jarry and Pickard are similar so far though....really really bad.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

He's still a better #4C than Beecher. Not that I think it will have much of an impact on the season as a whole.

I don't think he's better than Beecher. Beecher is better on draws over his career, is faster, bigger and only 24. And he's scored at two times the rate of Kirkland in the NHL.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don't think he's better than Beecher. Beecher is better on draws over his career, is faster, bigger and only 24. And he's scored at two times the rate of Kirkland in the NHL.

Exactly. I wouldn't waive Beecher to keep Kirkland. It's the right choice.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don't think he's better than Beecher. Beecher is better on draws over his career, is faster, bigger and only 24. And he's scored at two times the rate of Kirkland in the NHL.

Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day its all just shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic but still...

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don't think he's better than Beecher. Beecher is better on draws over his career, is faster, bigger and only 24. And he's scored at two times the rate of Kirkland in the NHL.

Sure over their career Beecher is the better face-off man, but during their time in CGY Kirkland has won 50% of his face-offs, while Beecher only won 43% of his.

During their careers Kirkland is scoring at a rate of 0.07GPG and 0.23PPG. Beecher is coring at a rate of 0.07GPG, and 0.15PPG, so I'm not sure where you got the rate from.

Yes, Beecher is younger, bigger and faster, but also a lot less effective on the ice. I doubt you see him as anything more than a replacement level player next year, or the year after.

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I think they're pretty equivalent 5 on 5 - neither is above replacement level.

But Beecher is a very useful PKer, and that gives him a leg up on Kirkland IMO.

Did the Flames PK look any worse after the Beecher injury?
With Beecher: 9PPGA, 5SHGF, -4 SHGD, 84.2%PK, 93.0% NetPK
After injury: 3PPGA, 2SHGF, -1 SHGD, 90.6%PK, 96.9% NetPK

If anything, it looks like the Flames PK got better after he was injured.

EDIT: Here's Kirkland vs Beecher on the PK(4 on 5) this season:
Beecher: 26:49TOI, 5.05xGA, 38SCA, 12HDCA, 0.909sv%
Kirkland: 32:40TOI, 3.51xGA, 25SCA, 10HDCA, 0.870sv%

It seems as though Kirkland has a lot less scoring chances and high danger scoring chances against in more time on the PK, while Beecher gets bailed by his goalies a bit more.

As far as 5v5 play:
Beecher: 38.5%xG, 42.0%CF, 43.4%FF, 20%GF, -6, 41.8%FO
Kirkland: 51.1%xG, 50.8%CF, 52.7%FF, 54.6%GF, +1, 51.0%FO

I just have a hard time making the argument that those stats are equivalent. Which largely agrees with my eye test.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Locke

Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day its all just shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic but still...

Maybe we can trade Beecher for a 4th or 5th at the TDL.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

Maybe we can trade Beecher for a 4th or 5th at the TDL.

Maybe.

And Kirkland isn't a POS. He can make a career in the AHL or, who knows? Ply his trade in Europe somewhere?

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Sure over their career Beecher is the better face-off man, but during their time in CGY Kirkland has won 50% of his face-offs, while Beecher only won 43% of his.

During their careers Kirkland is scoring at a rate of 0.07GPG and 0.23PPG. Beecher is coring at a rate of 0.07GPG, and 0.15PPG, so I'm not sure where you got the rate from.

Yes, Beecher is younger, bigger and faster, but also a lot less effective on the ice. I doubt you see him as anything more than a replacement level player next year, or the year after.



Did the Flames PK look any worse after the Beecher injury?
With Beecher: 9PPGA, 5SHGF, -4 SHGD, 84.2%PK, 93.0% NetPK
After injury: 3PPGA, 2SHGF, -1 SHGD, 90.6%PK, 96.9% NetPK

If anything, it looks like the Flames PK got better after he was injured.

EDIT: Here's Kirkland vs Beecher on the PK(4 on 5) this season:
Beecher: 26:49TOI, 5.05xGA, 38SCA, 12HDCA, 0.909sv%
Kirkland: 32:40TOI, 3.51xGA, 25SCA, 10HDCA, 0.870sv%

It seems as though Kirkland has a lot less scoring chances and high danger scoring chances against in more time on the PK, while Beecher gets bailed by his goalies a bit more.

As far as 5v5 play:
Beecher: 38.5%xG, 42.0%CF, 43.4%FF, 20%GF, -6, 41.8%FO
Kirkland: 51.1%xG, 50.8%CF, 52.7%FF, 54.6%GF, +1, 51.0%FO

I just have a hard time making the argument that those stats are equivalent. Which largely agrees with my eye test.

How about this...they both suck. Debating which sucky player we keep is sort of irrelevant because they are the literal definition of a replacement level player. Neither will be on the roster to start next season, so it's moot.

[1_Flames_Fan]

Can't see either getting claimed but stranger things have happened.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Pretty sure Beecher has to clear waivers for the Flames to trade him.

[GioforPM]

Beecher's numbers include his first couple games where he was ineffective. IMO he steadily improved and his injury unfortunately stopped the progress.

[Coach]

Looking forward to a team with NHL defence picking up Pickard and making the Oilers look like chumps. Again.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Pretty sure Beecher has to clear waivers for the Flames to trade him.

No.

All the CBA requires is that the Flames offer him for free to any other team (if any) that put a claim in when the Flames claimed him. Then they are free to trade him if those teams pass.

I assume no other team put a claim in for Soloyov when Colorado traded him to the Penguins.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I am not so sure that Kirkland's time with Calgary is up. Send him down to help out the Wranglers during the break, why not?


If he gets claimed, then good luck to him. He has been a good story and a good soldier for Calgary, and I will always wish him the best. Hopefully he sticks - Wranglers need the help, and Calgary can always use the depth anyway.

[Flamesfan05]

Every team has a few Kirkland, waiver wire is normal for him
Picard is so bad , some how he lasted this long.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Every team has a few Kirkland, waiver wire is normal for him
Picard is so bad , some how he lasted this long.

First of all...Picard is the greatest Starfleet Captain and Officer of all time.

Pickard...not so much. However, that being said, he may not be complete garbage? Everyone looks awful in the Oilers net.

[getbak]

This is really just so Kirkland can go to the Wranglers during the Olympic break. There's no reason to look for any deeper meaning to it.

If Beecher is getting closer to returning, I assume they could send him to the Wranglers on a conditioning stint during the break.

I expect we'll see a flood of trades announced once the roster freeze ends, so there's a good chance there will be room on the roster for both Kirkland and Beecher once play resumes.