Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[Fuzz]

LOL. Love how Conservatives view laws. Cool to breach charter rights because you are a bigot, but don't you dare reveal a separatist MLA is breaching their oath of office, lest the public become aware and never elect them again.


You understand there are just reasons people break laws, right?

[TorqueDog]

The only consistency you can expect from f-ckwits like this is "when it's for our team's benefit, it's okay".

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

The only consistency you can expect from f-ckwits like this is "when it's for our team's benefit, it's okay".

That's exactly what Fuzz is asking for. If it takes down some right wing politicians or individuals the end justifies the means. It's all about owning the conservatives.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

That's exactly what Fuzz is asking for. If it takes down some right wing politicians or individuals the end justifies the means. It's all about owning the conservatives.

I think he’s saying it should apply to many sides.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Likely not. While the submitted petitions can be reviewed for a year it appears to be an offense to disclose personal information obtained from the petition.

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

There certainly are a lot of bad actors out there who consider themselves to be above the law when it comes to matters that they believe are for the public good.

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

It's best not to have any concerns about privacy laws, right?

You seem strangely concerned about this. Are you a separatist yourself?

Personally I think separatists should be locked up or literally rounded up and deported. Maybe we could make a deal with the States or something. Take these people and we’ll sell you oil on the cheap for a month or something.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

That's exactly what Fuzz is asking for. If it takes down some right wing politicians or individuals the end justifies the means. It's all about owning the conservatives.

That is what you are saying about Fuzz. The counter argument is that you are the one saying it is okay to ignore how the UCP is breaking the law but you are willing to crack down on whistleblowers that may bring to light the UCP lawbreaking.

Cracking down on whistleblowers is terrible as they are often the only way we can bring evidence to light of the rampant corruption in government. Ending corruption is applicable to any party at any level of government, not just "owning the conservatives". Reasonable people do not allow or support corruption.

The UCP are rampantly corrupt so defending them is pretty gross considering the mountains of evidence demonstrating their corruption and Authoritarian / Fascist actions against the people of Alberta. If you truly think of yourself as a "conservative" then accountability and responsibility should be core values that you expect from government and you should be more critical of the fact that the UCP demonstrates neither of those things.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

That's exactly what Fuzz is asking for. If it takes down some right wing politicians or individuals the end justifies the means. It's all about owning the conservatives.

You don't think there is justification to revealing to the public that an MLA and Premier have been lying about their treason? Yep, better we remain ignorant. It's the law.

[Fuzz]

This is just CG realizing it's the end of the week, and he hasn't managed to publicly lick any UCP boots yet, so forgive the weakness of his argument. It's a Friday afternoon thing.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

That's exactly what Fuzz is asking for. If it takes down some right wing politicians or individuals the end justifies the means. It's all about owning the conservatives.

Watching your brain work is like a watching a Roomba get stuck on the corner of a thick rug.

[puffnstuff]

Wouldnt the people signing the petition be proud of themselves for doing so? And happy to have their name out there?
The petitions I have signed in he last few months bring me no shame.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

Wouldnt the people signing the petition be proud of themselves for doing so? And happy to have their name out there?
The petitions I have signed in he last few months bring me no shame.

Anyone that signs a petition whether it be for separation or Forever Canada, MLA recall, Mayoral recall or a federal petition is doing so because they are proud of it and support that cause. Many people will happily share that information on social media or in the public. That is not the issue. The issue comes down to the bad actors who want to get a list so that they can target people who they oppose. They want the names for vindictive reasons. Look at Mr.Coffee who wants the people deported and would likely be happy to use the petition as a deportation list.

This boils down to keeping our sensitive information safe and secure and relates to public safety. Look at what happens when private information or even just sentiment becomes known to bad actors and people start protesting at the homes of elected officials or they start targeting their kids at school. We see this happening right now as well with the petitions in situations like people going after the bakery in Medicine Hat or going after businesses that support the separation petition. Nothing good comes out of having this type of information shared publicly.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Anyone that signs a petition whether it be for separation or Forever Canada, MLA recall, Mayoral recall or a federal petition is doing so because they are proud of it and support that cause. Many people will happily share that information on social media or in the public. That is not the issue. The issue comes down to the bad actors who want to get a list so that they can target people who they oppose. They want the names for vindictive reasons. Look at Mr.Coffee who wants the people deported and would likely be happy to use the petition as a deportation list.

This boils down to keeping our sensitive information safe and secure and relates to public safety. Look at what happens when private information or even just sentiment becomes known to bad actors and people start protesting at the homes of elected officials or they start targeting their kids at school. We see this happening right now as well with the petitions in situations like people going after the bakery in Medicine Hat or going after businesses that support the separation petition. Nothing good comes out of having this type of information shared publicly.

I actually was kidding man. I am well aware of how laws work. But I do think people should have a little integrity, and not just cowtow lines for political ideology reasons. I get the impression a lot of separatists are like that… just saying separate without thinking it through. Pretty silly. You’ll see me on here commenting similar on other ridiculous issues like the stupid pipeline blockades or protests or anyone that’s anti-pipeline for essentially no reason. I’m not some ardent lefty guy here.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Anyone that signs a petition whether it be for separation or Forever Canada, MLA recall, Mayoral recall or a federal petition is doing so because they are proud of it and support that cause. Many people will happily share that information on social media or in the public. That is not the issue. The issue comes down to the bad actors who want to get a list so that they can target people who they oppose. They want the names for vindictive reasons. Look at Mr.Coffee who wants the people deported and would likely be happy to use the petition as a deportation list.

This boils down to keeping our sensitive information safe and secure and relates to public safety. Look at what happens when private information or even just sentiment becomes known to bad actors and people start protesting at the homes of elected officials or they start targeting their kids at school. We see this happening right now as well with the petitions in situations like people going after the bakery in Medicine Hat or going after businesses that support the separation petition. Nothing good comes out of having this type of information shared publicly.

I only care about the lying politicians. You say they should be proud, so either the petition takers are lying, or the politicians are. If you are going to sign that thing, you owe a duty to tell the people you represent. If you don't do that, we either live with the lie and it's impact, or we hope someone does the right thing and outs them. And if they aren't on it? Nothing happens. Releasing private citizen names is wrong(though open to exceptions if someone can justify it). Outing lying politicians is right. This isn't all that complicated.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

That's exactly what Fuzz is asking for. If it takes down some right wing politicians or individuals the end justifies the means. It's all about owning the conservatives.

Except that's not what it's about. It's about calling out seditionist BS, particularly that of elected MLAs, and finding out which of those, who's job it is to represent all their constituents, not just the ones that voted for them, or even the ones that voted for them that ALSO want to separate (which we would probably all agree is actually a very small amount of people), would foster the division of our nation.

But it makes sense that people who only care about the colour of the tie think other people also only care about that.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

You seem strangely concerned about this. Are you a separatist yourself?

Personally I think separatists should be locked up or literally rounded up and deported. Maybe we could make a deal with the States or something. Take these people and we’ll sell you oil on the cheap for a month or something.

I’m probably with you, but how many barrels do you think we’d have to give them to sweeten the deal?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I only care about the lying politicians. You say they should be proud, so either the petition takers are lying, or the politicians are. If you are going to sign that thing, you owe a duty to tell the people you represent. If you don't do that, we either live with the lie and it's impact, or we hope someone does the right thing and outs them. And if they aren't on it? Nothing happens. Releasing private citizen names is wrong(though open to exceptions if someone can justify it). Outing lying politicians is right. This isn't all that complicated.

If you don’t want to abide by Canadian laws then why should anyone care if you’re protected by them?

Like I know calgarygeo doesn’t want people finding his address, but sorry, don’t want to be part of Canada? Then don’t be. Give it all up. Quit whining about “oh my private information!” when you don’t want to be governed by the people protecting it.

Also have to LOL at someone shaking in their boots over separatists being deported. Oh no! The people who don’t want to be in Canada wont be in Canada! What an alarming and extremist punishment.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

If you don’t want to abide by Canadian laws then why should anyone care if you’re protected by them?

Like I know calgarygeo doesn’t want people finding his address, but sorry, don’t want to be part of Canada? Then don’t be. Give it all up. Quit whining about “oh my private information!” when you don’t want to be governed by the people protecting it.

Also have to LOL at someone shaking in their boots over separatists being deported. Oh no! The people who don’t want to be in Canada wont be in Canada! What an alarming and extremist punishment.

I don’t think your argument passes the logic test.

Separatists don’t want to leave the land they currently occupy so your entire basis of not wanting to be here isn’t well founded and your position falls apart.

It’s also likely that even if they want some sort of christofacist state that state would protect them in a similar manner to the law today. So there isn’t the hypocrisy in their position. There certainly is stupidity but not hypocrisy

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by GGG

I don’t think your argument passes the logic test.

Separatists don’t want to leave the land they currently occupy so your entire basis of not wanting to be here isn’t well founded and your position falls apart.

It’s also likely that even if they want some sort of christofacist state that state would protect them in a similar manner to the law today. So there isn’t the hypocrisy in their position. There certainly is stupidity but not hypocrisy

There is massive hypocrisy in their position. They want to have the right to tread over the rights of their fellow citizens. They want to separate a part of Canada from the rest of Canada but they have no interest in respecting the rights of others to separate from Alberta to stay in Canada.

Some quick examples:
- Look at how they are trying to ignore the Forever Canadian petition so they can get their question onto the ballot.
- Look at their response to First Nations objections to the separatist referendum question.
- Look at their response to the judges objections to the separatist referendum question.
- Look at their treatment of National Parks as Jasper burned down. Are they now going to carve those parks out of Alberta because they are clearly National property? The Feds are footing the bill for them.
- Their whole boo-hoo argument is that the Feds are trampling their "rights" for trying to save lives in a f'ing global pandemic but they are actively trampling on the rights of 51,000 teachers as well as all of the trans people in the province just for fun.

They have the privilege of living in one of the best places on the planet simply because they got lucky and were born here and the way that they repay that luck is to try and break the very nation that provided them their privilege so that a few of them can profit from it. If they tried to have a freedumb convoy in Russia and go an occupy the capital you wouldn't get a little bit of house arrest and a slap on the wrist, you would have a convoy full of people "falling down a flight of stairs in a construction site". They really do not appreciate how good they have it.

The hypocrisy and the grifts and the dishonesty of it all is out of control. If they do not want to live in Canada then they should voluntarily leave. If they stay and try to destroy Canada for their personal profit then they should be arrested and jailed.

And of course the whole jail thing is another level of their hypocrisy. They want law and order and tougher prison punishments as long as it is applied to everyone else but if you try and apply it to them they cry about FREEDUMB!

[puffnstuff]

https://bsky.app/profile/sarobertson.../3mdludueul72c

Jason Kenney: "[Jeffrey Rath] is a clown and a carny barker and thrives on conflict ... the idea that turning into a landlocked statelet with no argument, no legal power to build coastal pipelines or expand our export infrastructure, would be I think economically suicidal."

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

https://bsky.app/profile/sarobertson.../3mdludueul72c

Jason Kenney: "[Jeffrey Rath] is a clown and a carny barker and thrives on conflict ... the idea that turning into a landlocked statelet with no argument, no legal power to build coastal pipelines or expand our export infrastructure, would be I think economically suicidal."

Yeah. I don't think the "but Canada first" emotional arguments are that amazing.

But practically speaking whether you think Alberta is getting a good deal from confederation or not, the alternative is unambiguously worse. Do you think we're getting added to NAFTA under Trump? What happens if Canada decides to Tariff our oil exports? Why WOULDNT they do that?

Alberta leaving would blow a huge fiscal hole in the Canadian federal budget. Anyone who doesn't think they'd try and fill that hole from Alberta related revenue is dreaming.