[News] Gridin called up. Stromgren down. Parekh assigned to Wranglers on conditioning loan

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FlamingHomer

Good question. He just seemed more consistent throughout the game. The younger players showed some flashes but he didn't really have a bad shift.

I mean, Hunt has 37 points in 28 games. No other player is even close. Parekh is the only other player at PPG, and Gridin and Kerins are just a little under PPG.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Fla has 3: Tkachuk, Barkov and Bobrovsky. Plus, one good player who turns it on.

Colorado had Makar, Mackinnon and Rantanen. And then they had a bunch of very good players (and their goalie had one of his good years).

Vegas had Eichel and Stone. Marchessault turned it on like Bennett but he's not elite - he was outpointed by Chandler Stephenson that year. Great supporting cast.

Chicago had Toews, Kane, Keith, Hossa and Seabrook. And a bunch of very good players.

But they would be the exception, not the rule.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I know I am alone on the island, but I considered the 2004 era Flames to have had 3 stars - Iginla, Kiprusoff and Regehr.

[bdubbs]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I know I am alone on the island, but I considered the 2004 era Flames to have had 3 stars - Iginla, Kiprusoff and Regehr.

You aren't alone here. I agree with this take.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I know I am alone on the island, but I considered the 2004 era Flames to have had 3 stars - Iginla, Kiprusoff and Regehr.

Agreed

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I know I am alone on the island, but I considered the 2004 era Flames to have had 3 stars - Iginla, Kiprusoff and Regehr.

I think Regehr is a star and I'm a huge fan, but I think he's not the same level of Star as Iggy, Kipper and most of the other names being discussed.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I know I am alone on the island, but I considered the 2004 era Flames to have had 3 stars - Iginla, Kiprusoff and Regehr.

and the Eliminator 2004 in the playoffs!

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Chicago had Toews, Kane, Keith, Hossa and Seabrook. And a bunch of very good players.

But they would be the exception, not the rule.

Seabrook was middling - Keith propped him up. Hossa was very good - not elite. Toews - if he's elite, he's on the bottom end of that category. His production isn't quite PPG even in his prime. So, were his intangibles the difference?

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Lewis_D

His offensive output at the NHL level is no concern to me. Yes, 1 point in his 11 games with the Flames looks pretty underwhelming but important to remember how much the team stunk at the beginning of the season.

At this point I don't see much of a point in being too critical of his development, it's been a weird year for him. He's been in & out of lineups due to injuries and has played on what? 4 different rosters?

Like another poster recently said, Al McInnis started with basically the same numbers in the nhl early on.

The explosion in production at the WJCs and now AHL tells me this is a matter of time issue, not an "if" issue.

I agree with posters who say he should focus first and foremost on being a little more elusive and aware, so that he can play in a way that's sustainable and doesn't get him knocked out for stretches of time.

He should also quarterback the top PP unit PRONTO. I don't care how inexperienced he is. Huska needs to pull his head out of his poo-ha and put the kid where he is destined to play.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Fla has 3: Tkachuk, Barkov and Bobrovsky. Plus, one good player who turns it on.

Colorado had Makar, Mackinnon and Rantanen. And then they had a bunch of very good players (and their goalie had one of his good years).

Vegas had Eichel and Stone. Marchessault turned it on like Bennett but he's not elite - he was outpointed by Chandler Stephenson that year. Great supporting cast.

You're forgetting a few guys.

Reinhart on Florida is definitely an elite 2 way player. You could even argue Marchand as well.

Landeskog was elite before he got hurt. Had 78 points in 51 games that year.

Alex Pietrangelo may not be elite depending on your definition, but he's what I would call an "A" lister.

So yes, 3-4 elite players looks like the magic number. That and a goalie who is at least above average.

[Wastedyouth]

Everyones favourite Zeev Buium has been not great with the second easiest zone starts on his team.

Weird. It's almost like most non 1st overall U20 Dmen struggle in the NHL.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Everyones favourite Zeev Buium has been not great with the second easiest zone starts on his team.

Weird. It's almost like most non 1st overall U20 Dmen struggle in the NHL.

I think the Canucks will ruin him and Rossi. So a home run for the Wild!

[Big Erned Nevergivn]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Seabrook was middling - Keith propped him up. Hossa was very good - not elite. Toews - if he's elite, he's on the bottom end of that category. His production isn't quite PPG even in his prime. So, were his intangibles the difference?

Agree Seabrook was great in his prime, but never elite. But both Toews and Hossa were elite two-way forwards in their prime. Toews was the #1 center and captain for 3 stanley cups, won a Con Smyth & a Selke. Hossa is already in the Hall of Fame and was inducted before he even officially retired, and JT will also be an easy hall of famer, when he retires. Seem elite to me.

[SuperMatt18]

Yeah Hossa and Toews were both elite - because they were P/GP offensive producers that were also Selke level defenders.

The other thing that gets overlooked is cup winning teams have guys that maybe are elite in a single aspect of the game...I'm not sure if Forsling is an overall elite defenseman. But he's an elite defensive d-man for sure, and that's important too and a huge part of Florida's cup wins.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Everyones favourite Zeev Buium has been not great with the second easiest zone starts on his team.

Weird. It's almost like most non 1st overall U20 Dmen struggle in the NHL.

Right?
It's almost like playing on a team with both legit superstars and really strong offensive metrics makes a huge difference

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Big Erned Nevergivn

Agree Seabrook was great in his prime, but never elite. But both Toews and Hossa were elite two-way forwards in their prime. Toews was the #1 center and captain for 3 stanley cups, won a Con Smyth & a Selke. Hossa is already in the Hall of Fame and was inducted before he even officially retired, and JT will also be an easy hall of famer, when he retires. Seem elite to me.

I reserve elite for the very tip top of the league.

I don't think HOF means elite unfortunately. Clark Gillies is in it. Glenn Anderson is in it. Are Brendan Shanahan and Doug Gilmour really elite in your opinion?

Jacques Lemaire was the 1C for 5 cups - not elite. Conn Smythe winners are also often not the elite guys but rather guys who catch fire at the right time - - Bennett, Marchessault, ROR, Justin Williams, Tim Thomas, Brad Richards.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I reserve elite for the very tip top of the league.

I don't think HOF means elite unfortunately. Clark Gillies is in it. Glenn Anderson is in it. Are Brendan Shanahan and Doug Gilmour really elite in your opinion?

Jacques Lemaire was the 1C for 5 cups - not elite. Conn Smythe winners are also often not the elite guys but rather guys who catch fire at the right time - - Bennett, Marchessault, ROR, Justin Williams, Tim Thomas, Brad Richards.

Elite seasons and Elite careers are different too.

Doug Gilmour was absolutely playing at an elite level in that 93 season.

Same with Brad Richards in 03-04.

Brendan Shanahan was probably elite for a couple of those seasons with the Blues, but once he was in Detroit he was more a strong supporting piece than an elite player for sure.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I reserve elite for the very tip top of the league.

I don't think HOF means elite unfortunately. Clark Gillies is in it. Glenn Anderson is in it. Are Brendan Shanahan and Doug Gilmour really elite in your opinion?

Jacques Lemaire was the 1C for 5 cups - not elite. Conn Smythe winners are also often not the elite guys but rather guys who catch fire at the right time - - Bennett, Marchessault, ROR, Justin Williams, Tim Thomas, Brad Richards.

Obviously if you set the bar at the moon - no one is going to have 4 elite players. There's barely 4 players in the league if that is your bar.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Obviously if you set the bar at the moon - no one is going to have 4 elite players. There's barely 4 players in the league if that is your bar.

There's way more than 4. I could probably name 25 skaters who I think are elite. Kucherov, Mackinnon, McDavid, Stone, Marner, Makar, Kaprisov, Pasternak, Barkov, Tkachuk, Nylander, Matthews, Ovie, Crosby, Rantanen, Robertson, jack and Quinn Hughes, Werenski, Draisaitl, Celebrini, Bedard, Connor, and I'm not even counting some of the kids who are probably pretty much there.

I just don't like making the word lose all meaning. If you have many more than that elite just means really good.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

There's way more than 4. I could probably name 25 skaters who I think are elite. Kucherov, Mackinnon, McDavid, Stone, Marner, Makar, Kaprisov, Pasternak, Barkov, Tkachuk, Nylander, Matthews, Ovie, Crosby, Rantanen, Robertson, jack and Quinn Hughes, Werenski, Draisaitl, Celebrini, Bedard, Connor, and I'm not even counting some of the kids who are probably pretty much there.

I just don't like making the word lose all meaning. If you have many more than that elite just means really good.

It's all semantics so a meaningless forever war

...but from my perspective your use of the term is so narrow and arbitrary that it becomes kinda meaningless and/or useless.