Are the Flames re-building?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Robbob

it was an obvious yes to me. I think it will still be the case after this trade deadline.

Flames picks in the first 3 round.
2024 - 9, 28, 41, 62, 74, 84
2025 - 18, 32, 54, 80
Currently expected to pick as of Jan 27
2026 - 4ish, 29ish, 36ish, 65ish 69ish
2027 - early first, late first, early 2nd, early 3rd

Sitting at 19 picks with the potential of more higher picks from Kadri, Coleman, and Whitecloud.

So top picks ranging from 19 to 24 over a 4 year period.

Obviously the key is the player selected in the next few drafts.

Compared to other rebuild teams:
SJ - 17th picks
2023 - 4, 26, 36, 71
2024 - 1, 11, 33, 53, 82
2025 - 2, 30, 33, 53, 95
2026 - 17ish, 20ish, 64ish

Chi picks - 24 picks
2023 - 1, 19, 35, 44, 55, 67, 93
2024 - 2, 18, 27, 67, 72, 92
2025 - 3, 25, 29, 66
2026 - 6ish, 16ish, 38ish, 45ish, 51ish, 70ish

These are 2 of the pro rebuild teams. I picked 4 years but even if you add that 5th year I think the Flames are right in there with the picks. I think a lot of what is driving the rebiggle is that we haven't gotten that one piece yet. If I have time, I might go back and add up the draft pick value, which might also be an interesting exercise or metric.

This is a great post. The other factor against the Flames right now is how badly some unepected teams are playing. The three teams lower than the Flames are all teams who were expected to be in or near the POs. I also expect the Jets will get better - their goal differential says they will. That drops Calgary into bottom 3, fighting with STL for 2nd worst.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Robbob

it was an obvious yes to me. I think it will still be the case after this trade deadline.

Flames picks in the first 3 round.
2024 - 9, 28, 41, 62, 74, 84
2025 - 18, 32, 54, 80
Currently expected to pick as of Jan 27
2026 - 4ish, 29ish, 36ish, 65ish 69ish
2027 - early first, late first, early 2nd, early 3rd

Sitting at 19 picks with the potential of more higher picks from Kadri, Coleman, and Whitecloud.

So top picks ranging from 19 to 24 over a 4 year period.

Obviously the key is the player selected in the next few drafts.

Compared to other rebuild teams:
SJ - 17th picks
2023 - 4, 26, 36, 71
2024 - 1, 11, 33, 53, 82
2025 - 2, 30, 33, 53, 95
2026 - 17ish, 20ish, 64ish

Chi picks - 24 picks
2023 - 1, 19, 35, 44, 55, 67, 93
2024 - 2, 18, 27, 67, 72, 92
2025 - 3, 25, 29, 66
2026 - 6ish, 16ish, 38ish, 45ish, 51ish, 70ish

These are 2 of the pro rebuild teams. I picked 4 years but even if you add that 5th year I think the Flames are right in there with the picks. I think a lot of what is driving the rebiggle is that we haven't gotten that one piece yet. If I have time, I might go back and add up the draft pick value, which might also be an interesting exercise or metric.

The Flames desperately need a top 3 pick this year, preferably top 2. They need to trade Kadri ASAP. If there's any chance of snagging McKenna, they should push for that.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by blankall

The Flames desperately need a top 3 pick this year, preferably top 2. They need to trade Kadri ASAP. If there's any chance of snagging McKenna, they should push for that.

I can't say Kadri has been a big factor in many wins lately.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

So obviously there is a lot of interest in exploring this further.

My proposal for a 2nd question would be

“On a scale from 1 to 10, with 1 meaning not satisfied at all, and 10 being extremely satisfied, how satisfied are you with the Flames re-build up until this point.”.

Satisfaction has a bunch of dimensions. How aggressive they have been, how proactive, if they should have started earlier. People can choose to consider whatever dimensions they want. But would people accept that as a good 2nd stage question?

Definitely more room for interpretation and discussion.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by blankall

The Flames desperately need a top 3 pick this year, preferably top 2. They need to trade Kadri ASAP. If there's any chance of snagging McKenna, they should push for that.

The Flames have the second hardest remaining SOS. The last month in particular is basically hell.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

The Flames have the second hardest remaining SOS. The last month in particular is basically hell.

except none of those teams will be fighting for their lives

[blankall]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I can't say Kadri has been a big factor in many wins lately.

Still leads the team in scoring.

No one's really a big factor in winning right now (except for maybe Cooley). Hence why the team is 4th last and sliding. But moving Kadri and Coleman eliminates two of the top 6 scorers on the Flames. The Flames need to out tank Winnipeg and St. Louis.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Bonded

This will be the much more interesting discussion as this poll is super lopsided

It had to be done to prove a point

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by dino7c

There was a poster...you can probably guess who, that said.

"If the Flames were rebuilding opinions on here wouldn't be so split that proves they aren't rebuilding"

This poll was made, why you haff to be mad?

I haven't been following, so to me this poll was an attempt to end the discussions about the rebuild entirely. I didn't know it was in direct response to something.

I voted no as a protest against the question.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

I haven't been following, so to me this poll was an attempt to end the discussions about the rebuild entirely. I didn't know it was in direct response to something.

I voted no as a protest against the question.

The poster who started this won't even vote so at least you put your money where your mouth is

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dino7c

It had to be done to prove a point

I actually do appreciate the loudest complainers kept to their bit on the poll even though some of them changed to they were rebuilding in the comments lol

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by dino7c

The poster who started this won't even vote so at least you put your money where your mouth is

There are obvious unserious posters that we don't need to debate with. Every time he gets a reaction from someone - he'll just keep doing it. Starting a poll to win a debate with him is the most clear win for the guy than possible.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I actually do appreciate the loudest complainers kept to their bit on the poll even though some of them changed to they were rebuilding in the comments lol

well most of them

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by dino7c

except none of those teams will be fighting for their lives

In 30 games they will only play 3 games against teams who are out of a playoff race. Mar 10 against the Rangers, Mar 18 against the Blues, and Mar 28 against Vancouver. Things are about to get ugly.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

I haven't been following, so to me this poll was an attempt to end the discussions about the rebuild entirely. I didn't know it was in direct response to something.

I voted no as a protest against the question.

Not my intent at all. Just to be clear.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

There are obvious unserious posters that we don't need to debate with. Every time he gets a reaction from someone - he'll just keep doing it. Starting a poll to win a debate with him is the most clear win for the guy than possible.

No, he is serious...not a troll honestly. He has admitted defeat on this one in the other thread. I was looking forwad to his vote though not gonna lie.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

There are obvious unserious posters that we don't need to debate with. Every time he gets a reaction from someone - he'll just keep doing it. Starting a poll to win a debate with him is the most clear win for the guy than possible.

Fair, but my intent was to fight conjecture with facts. That's all I was trying to do.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Poll reminds me of Alberta separatists

VERY vocal, VERY much the minority

It's too bad that only mods can make polls. Could make all sorts of interesting ones in both FOI and OT forums.

[Flamesfan05]

Yes, do you think they have a choice?

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

If a person has a dilapated house, and they sit on it for a few years and allow things to start falling in, and finally rot seeps through a retaining wall and most of the roof comes down, do you say: that person demolished their house!

I would not. I think that's what we're looking at here.

Good Christ.