Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[Sylvanfan]

The problem is that the Independence supporters are cult like with their dedication and fervor to their cause. They will show up to vote for it, and it's hard to tell if the 44% of them who are less committed to this lunacy will not vote or change their mind if they're forced to consider the consequences.

It is concerning that there are this many people who think they can go back 100 years in time and that one resource Oil will be the coveted resource that leads to prosperity for another 150 years. In reality it's becoming a lower value commodity that's not going to be able to sustain an economy much longer. Not to mention how naive they seem to be about the U.S. just giving them everything they want for their pipeline that they think will make Alberta into Saudi Arabia instantly.

[puffnstuff]

New article out about Rath

https://thetyee.ca/News/2026/01/26/W...ist-Firebrand/

I had forgotten about the video of him at the bar spouting off about the UCP

[Monahammer]

Does anyone truly believe that these polls will matter if we get to the point of a vote?

There's no way, in this current environment, that we can safely conduct a real, fair plebiscite vote about this subject. It will be interfered with and made to look "close" or "close-enough" to justify some sort of defense activity by the US.

This is and always was the plan.

[woob]

What even happens if the vote to split wins? We then have to begin "talks" with the Federal government etc? Or would they just deny it outright?

I imagine there'd be a mass exodus of people, if things started actually marching down the path of separation. Would the national parks cease to be part of the new country of Alberta? Would Alberta have to build its own military?

Or would the province just bend over for the US?

[Fuzz]

Well, first off the First Nations will file a court injunction to prevent it.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by woob

I imagine there'd be a mass exodus of people, if things started actually marching down the path of separation.

Not that considering long-term consequences ever crosses the minds of these simpletons, but there are at least two utterly predictable things that will happen if Alberta separation ever becomes a genuine threat and not just a fantasy from the lunatic fringe:

1. Many Canadian businesses with HQs in Calgary or Edmonton will relocate to Toronto or Vancouver, taking all those jobs with them. This already happened decades ago in Quebec, when literally hundreds of corporate head offices left Montreal (primarily for Toronto, but also some for Calgary) due to the threat of Quebec separatism.

2. Hundreds of thousands (perhaps even millions?) of Alberta residents who wish to remain loyal citizens of Canada will leave Alberta. They will sell their homes and move to another province. A sudden increase in available Alberta homes for sale will see housing supply significantly outpace demand, causing home values to plummet. Many homeowners who choose to stay in Alberta will lose hundreds of thousands of dollars in home equity value and may even find themselves underwater on their mortgage. Meanwhile, cities like Toronto and Vancouver will suddenly find their already-stressed housing market suffering even more demand due to a massive and sudden increase in people relocating from Alberta, making housing in those cities even less affordable than it is now.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Well, first off the First Nations will file a court injunction to prevent it.

Yeah, from what I understand the First Nations aren’t having any of this bulls*** and would launch a gazillion lawsuits. They’ve already filed one to halt the petition process, arguing that the entire thing violates treaty rights, which it does.

Second, I believe the federal government would also have to officially allow it to proceed, and from what I’ve been reading about the subject, the negotiation process would likely take years. Meanwhile, there would be a mass exodus of people and businesses leaving the province, which would devastate Alberta, its economy, and its reputation.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Well, first off the First Nations will file a court injunction to prevent it.

Alternatively, I've always thought that the first nations would then vote to separate from Alberta and take their land back to Canada. Their treaties are with the Federal government and I do not see why they should allow a provincial government to change their status as Canadians or their agreement with Canada.

The Feds could also lay down a decision to keep their land, especially after the wild fire fiasco where Smith insisted that the fires on the national land were federal problems. Those 5 national parks within Alberta represent a LOT of land (Banff, Jasper, Waterton, Wood Buffalo, and Elk Island).

At the same time, I would hope that Calgary and Edmonton would also hold votes to split from Alberta and go join BC or something.

That would leave Freedumb 'berta to be a very, very small place.

[woob]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Not that considering long-term consequences ever crosses the minds of these simpletons, but there are at least two utterly predictable things that will happen if Alberta separation ever becomes a genuine threat and not just a fantasy from the lunatic fringe:

1. Many Canadian businesses with HQs in Calgary or Edmonton will relocate to Toronto or Vancouver, taking all those jobs with them. This already happened decades ago in Quebec, when literally hundreds of corporate head offices left Montreal (primarily for Toronto, but also some for Calgary) due to the threat of Quebec separatism.

2. Hundreds of thousands (perhaps even millions?) of Alberta residents who wish to remain loyal citizens of Canada will leave Alberta. They will sell their homes and move to another province. A sudden increase in available Alberta homes for sale will see housing supply significantly outpace demand, causing home values to plummet. Many homeowners who choose to stay in Alberta will lose hundreds of thousands of dollars in home equity value and may even find themselves underwater on their mortgage. Meanwhile, cities like Toronto and Vancouver will suddenly find their already-stressed housing market suffering even more demand due to a massive and sudden increase in people relocating from Alberta, making housing in those cities even less affordable than it is now.

Yeah, I figure these buffoons have no idea of the long term implications and only see this as getting the vote across the finish line, so they can stir more sh1t if the results go in their favour.

#2 is one of the more major impacts I see as well. Not to mention the logistics of alllll the other stuff and the sheer amount of dollars and time it would take to sort that all out. But I'm guessing they dgaf about any of that.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Whynotnow

I see Paul Brandt is teasing that he’s about to become the singer for the separatist movement, F him.

Actual name is Paul Rennée Belobersycky and I think everyone should correct to that.

[iggy_oi]

Has the CFIB issued any statements on behalf of its members stating how they feel about this?

Has the CTF issued any statements on what portion of the national debt our province would have to take with it should we choose to leave?

[woob]

Pfft we're not taking debt. They OWE us!!

/s

[direwolf]

I’d imagine the NHL would also pull up stakes and relocate the two Alberta teams to other markets in Canada or the U.S. As a major business I highly doubt they’d want to continue to operate in that kind of volatile situation.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by woob

Yeah, I figure these buffoons have no idea of the long term implications and only see this as getting the vote across the finish line, so they can stir more sh1t if the results go in their favour.

#2 is one of the more major impacts I see as well. Not to mention the logistics of alllll the other stuff and the sheer amount of dollars and time it would take to sort that all out. But I'm guessing they dgaf about any of that.

They’ve said that freedom-lovers will move here from other provinces and people who “love the welfare state” will out.

In reality it would be people with money and portable skills who would be first out the door. Sadly it’s the city-dwellers - the least likely to support separation - who will suffer the most asset de-valuation.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by direwolf

I’d imagine the NHL would also pull up stakes and relocate the two Alberta teams to other markets in Canada or the U.S. As a major business I highly doubt they’d want to continue to operate in that kind of volatile situation.

I think that's pretty low on the list....although supporters of this nonsense would likely throw a fit.

I think Saskatchewan and B.C. plus the N.W.T. would have major security concerns as it increases the borders they'd have to defend substantially.

I saw some AI image on LinkedIn of Smith signing something with Trump and his zealots all there. These dopes will deny that they want to be Americans, but they all can't wait to taste Trump's boots.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by direwolf

Yeah, from what I understand the First Nations aren’t having any of this bulls*** and would launch a gazillion lawsuits. They’ve already filed one to halt the petition process, arguing that the entire thing violates treaty rights, which it does.

Second, I believe the federal government would also have to officially allow it to proceed, and from what I’ve been reading about the subject, the negotiation process would likely take years. Meanwhile, there would be a mass exodus of people and businesses leaving the province, which would devastate Alberta, its economy, and its reputation.

The negotiations should take years, but they are itching to declare an impasse and invoke unilateral separation. Immediately recognized by the US.

[Monahammer]

Yeah, I agree with Ed's lunch. It is hard to imagine a world where court cases in canada matter to Donald Trump and the american administration.

We are seeing a return to might makes right in global geopolitics.

If this situation unfolds it will be immaterial what the indigenous "want" or do. It might even play into the larger story of "oppression" or be used to demonstrate "lack of freedom", and that those who voted to separate are being unfairly repressed.

The truth ceased to matter in 2025. Laws are becoming less important by the day. Not for you or me, but for state actors.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by edslunch

The negotiations should take years, but they are itching to declare an impasse and invoke unilateral separation. Immediately recognized by the US.

Well, if that’s the case then the 75-80% of Albertans who want to remain in Canada better mobilize and hand these stupid traitorous f***s a defeat so humiliating that it forces them to disappear and go crawling back into the sewers from where they came. Just put an end to this nonsense once and for all.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

Smith has conversations, meetings, with the seperatists? Apparently.
The seperatist Modry was revealing what they talk about, whether she would prefer to be the President or Prime Minister of an independent country.

Modry: "So in my conversations with her, I've asked her the question, would she be willing to govern the sovereign country of Alberta as president or prime minister? And her comments be, 'well, I don't really like President, I prefer Prime Minister.'"
Link to audio of him telling the story
https://bsky.app/profile/lilypolench.../3md7uclcv5m2q

Here is the link to a thread on the whole meeting from a couple days ago
https://bsky.app/profile/lilypolench.../3md2lwhnwlk2e

"Casper says he's been hearing "intestinal rumbles out of Ottawa," and "they're staying to feel some things differently." He encourages people to talk to their friends about separation, and says there will be efforts to educate the youth and get them involved."

Intestinal rumbles!?!? Oh no, does Mark Carney have gas...? Big if true.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Not that considering long-term consequences ever crosses the minds of these simpletons, but there are at least two utterly predictable things that will happen if Alberta separation ever becomes a genuine threat and not just a fantasy from the lunatic fringe:

1. Many Canadian businesses with HQs in Calgary or Edmonton will relocate to Toronto or Vancouver, taking all those jobs with them. This already happened decades ago in Quebec, when literally hundreds of corporate head offices left Montreal (primarily for Toronto, but also some for Calgary) due to the threat of Quebec separatism.

2. Hundreds of thousands (perhaps even millions?) of Alberta residents who wish to remain loyal citizens of Canada will leave Alberta. They will sell their homes and move to another province. A sudden increase in available Alberta homes for sale will see housing supply significantly outpace demand, causing home values to plummet. Many homeowners who choose to stay in Alberta will lose hundreds of thousands of dollars in home equity value and may even find themselves underwater on their mortgage. Meanwhile, cities like Toronto and Vancouver will suddenly find their already-stressed housing market suffering even more demand due to a massive and sudden increase in people relocating from Alberta, making housing in those cities even less affordable than it is now.

Google AI - Net Interprovincial Migration (2001–2023): From 2001 to 2023, Alberta gained approximately 480,000 to 500,000 net new residents from other parts of Canada.

I would assume a majority of those people would move back to their home province, plus many more that have roots in the Maritimes, Ontario and BC.

It would be ghost province, and immense brain drain.

It's sad/infuriating/hilarious to read comments from Facebook "researchers" on Constitutional Law.