The refs are bad though, well biased which is bad. But in this case its not like he was trying to get Montreal in the box with the angle he saw it wrong. Ref also admitted the mistake and apologized so IDK what more you want. Public stoning?
In the NFL when a guy makes the wrong call they confer and pick the flag up and say there is no foul on the play. Why can't they do this in the NHL? Again, stop making excuses.
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The refs get it wrong sometimes. They don't have all the angles and things happen fast.
Two of the other officials were watching the play and had a clear view. This is not a one off thing with the NHL, this is an ongoing problem with phantom calls, weak calls, and no consistency.
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In the NFL when a guy makes the wrong call they confer and pick the flag up and say there is no foul on the play. Why can't they do this in the NHL? Again, stop making excuses.
Gary says nope. So it’s nope.
And there the discussion ends for them.
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Sports gambling has no effect on the integrity of the officials.
NONE!
If anything, it probably improves the integrity of the officials. The legal gambling sites would raise an absolute stink if a referee took a bribe that messed with their odds.
It's illegal gambling that encourages bribery. Since the bets are against the law in the first place, you have no legal recourse if somebody fixes a game or a prop.
Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
(Note: Gambling does nothing for the intelligence of the officials. A stupid and incompetent ref is just as stupid and just as incompetent whether anybody is betting or not.)
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If anything, it probably improves the integrity of the officials. The legal gambling sites would raise an absolute stink if a referee took a bribe that messed with their odds.
It's illegal gambling that encourages bribery. Since the bets are against the law in the first place, you have no legal recourse if somebody fixes a game or a prop.
Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
(Note: Gambling does nothing for the intelligence of the officials. A stupid and incompetent ref is just as stupid and just as incompetent whether anybody is betting or not.)
I completely disagree. The explosion of legalized sports betting incentivizes schemes that officials and other insiders can become involved in. Even though sports books work hard and have good tools to catch things, the scale and accessibility of legal gambling lends itself to scandals. The recent NBA gambling scandal involved legal, regulated sportsbooks.
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The recent NBA gambling scandal involved legal, regulated sportsbooks.
Whereas when gambling was illegal, shaving points wasn't even a scandal because everyone expected it to happen routinely. That's worse.
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Whereas when gambling was illegal, shaving points wasn't even a scandal because everyone expected it to happen routinely. That's worse.
I still disagree.
In the light or not, sports betting has exploded in size and brought with it new vulnerabilities. It’s brought vastly more money and and opportunity for officials to be tempted into fraud without even being involved with any underground elements like the old days. The vast amount of bets available, especially prop bets, spread the opportunities far far beyond shavings points.
Better technology and more scrutiny of officials may work for some other sports where replays can clearly show if an official is right or wrong for most decisions. That’s just isn’t the case for hockey where penalties and calls on close goals/non-goals are very subjective and inconsistent. It also doesn’t seem like scrutiny on NHL refs doesn’t stop some from having particular patterns in the NHL.
It all looks like a recipe for opportunity to me.
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In the light or not, sports betting has exploded in size and brought with it new vulnerabilities. It’s brought vastly more money and and opportunity for officials to be tempted into fraud without even being involved with any underground elements like the old days. The vast amount of bets available, especially prop bets, spread the opportunities far far beyond shavings points.
Better technology and more scrutiny of officials may work for some other sports where replays can clearly show if an official is right or wrong for most decisions. That’s just isn’t the case for hockey where penalties and calls on close goals/non-goals are very subjective and inconsistent. It also doesn’t seem like scrutiny on NHL refs doesn’t stop some from having particular patterns in the NHL.
It all looks like a recipe for opportunity to me.
This is a good point, that combination of very arbitrary decisions with increased sports betting is dangerously explosive. Hockey already struggles with credibility issues when it comes to refereeing in a way most other team sports don't. This could easily become another contributing factor, as it's a lot easier to bend your morals for money if you're already not well respected.
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In the NFL when a guy makes the wrong call they confer and pick the flag up and say there is no foul on the play. Why can't they do this in the NHL? Again, stop making excuses.
Yep, no wrong calls in NFL history
If you think I am here trying to cover for the NHL or refs you don't know me...I actually boycotted the league and have stuck with it after the Coleman kick incident. I don't spend a dime on the NHL. So STFU about the excuses nonsense. The reality is though mistakes happen in a spot officiated by humans.
Sure you can change some rules and have a challenge or something but it could only be for something like this that was an obvious miss. They already do it for highsticks ect. where the refs and linesman come together.
In this case though there was no malice...in fact the ref apologized to the player and coach.
NHL officiating has always been terrible and arguably the worst in North American professional sports. They have long taken it upon themselves to manage games (ignore blatant infractions to keep games close or make incredibly weak calls to aid the team trailing in the 3rd period) when that's not their job and they constantly make calls based on what they think happened rather than what they saw with their own eyes just as happened in this case. Officials see a player in close proximity to another fall and therefore in their mind it had to be a penalty even though they could not see any contact.
Basketball has worse officiating. They never call traveling or double-dribbling, and their treatment of star players is far more preferential than the NHL. Add to that their recent gambling scandals.
You could also argue that MLB umps still struggle calling balls and strikes, and a good day is 95% accuracy, and some days it's as low as 85%.
NHL refs get things wrong sometimes, but considering they do it in real time while skating around and avoiding getting crushed in the corners with big hits, it's a small miracle they are as accurate as they are.
This call is stupid and kinda funny, but it's an increasingly rare occurrence.
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Basketball has worse officiating. They never call traveling or double-dribbling, and their treatment of star players is far more preferential than the NHL. Add to that their recent gambling scandals. NHL refs get things wrong sometimes, but considering they do it in real time while skating around and avoiding getting crushed in the corners with big hits, it's a small miracle they are as accurate as they are.
This call is stupid and kinda funny, but it's an increasingly rare occurrence.
I thought of that but I just think NBA is more of a blend of entertainment and sports as they let travelling and double dribbling go by design and star treatment is done out of necessity as it's a star driven league and people come to see the stars showcased. It's kind of the WWE of professional sports so I discount it for that.
I understand missing calls, an infraction happened but the ref didn't see it or doesn't think it warranted a penalty. Using the NBA example above, they will let travelling go, they will never call travelling when it wasn't.
I will never understand refs calling something that didn't happen. That's fishy.
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