Are we sure that these bunch of apparently comm badge swallowing bridge crew members are just dumb.
I saw that clip, and just had to shake my head. The medical report, which should be immediately forwarded to Personnel Command should state: "Cadet shows lack of intelligence required of cadets. Unsure how she made it through Recruiting. Recommend immediate dismissal."
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Then in an out of character for Star Fleet Captains.
Her personnel jacket should read "Officer not suited for promotion to ship command. Lacks command presence."
Well, I tried, but I think its ok to take this series off of recording, and I don't think I'm the only one, this show is not even in the top 10 screening for Paramount screening, and its YouTube debut was outwatched by a reviewer that put up a video of a Spock action figure sitting in a chair at the same time.
Its clear that the 8 to 10 million they're spending per episode has led to some nice set pieces and effects but not one dime reached the writing room.
The dialogue is so amazingly bad. I get it, every writer thinks they can write fast quipy funny dialogue like Joss Whedon did in FireFly and Angel and the Avengers and Buffy. But they can't. The poor actors talk really fast throw in a bunch of unfunny and at time awkwardly stupid quips and swears that makes me think back to the bad dialogue writing in Discovery ("Science Bitch").
Then they combine this rapid fire Dialogue with quips and swears with the worst editing and character reactions possible. The scenes with Ake are awful as she twitches and moves around and sits down and stands up to the point that it distacts and you miss key dialogue because you've suddenly got motion sickness. The scene in the elevator with her continually moving away from the Doctor was funny or Quirky it was just stupidly weird.
And why do they need elevators and doors when they can suppossedly transport everywhere, and why do they need chairs for a less then a minute elevator ride?
And why is there a cadet in a wheel chair, when they can literally transfer a persons conciousness to a robot body like they did with Picard.
And here's the thing that made me throw my remote. I get it the Betazoid was deaf. But why the hell were his Betazed aids communicating with him in sign language. The Whole species is TELEPATHIC.
Oh and that Lesson or Lecture where Jett Reno was not really teaching or lecturing, she basically just trashed talked a Cadet and bragged about how great she is. I get that the Writers wanted to do some agenda based writing, but that whole lecture scene was a badly written stupid embarressment.
And the Number 1 character, I no longer care that she was bred in a test tube, or the Federation made Jem' Hadar grow genitalia. Her prosthetic are terrible and restrictive. She's extremely annoying, and the Actress has all the acting ability of a brick.
You notice I'm not talking about the story in this episode. Because it was a boring story, where the two main characters had act like they had chemistry and a growing relationship and neither could do it convincingly.
This show is embarrassingly bad. Its writing is a mess, there's nothing interesting really happening.
After Lower Decks left, I felt that was a shame, it was a fun show, not really Star Trek but a fun show. Discovery was just trash by the end. Strange New Worlds I felt took a pretty big step back last year. But whoever greenlit this atrocity and let Kurtzman run with this should be transported into a black hole or the center of a Star or off a cliff of something, and none of the people working on this show with the exception of actors not named Holly Hunter, and not playing the character of number one should be fired out of a Cannon into the ocean.
I doubt I'll watch the next few episodes and just watch the reviews to see if its worth coming back to.
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I just dont understand how they could so consistently hire writers that seem to actively hate the history, lore, and fanhood of the franchise. Can't they hire someone who's watched at least 1/3 of star trek episodes and understands them?
It totally blows my mind that the writers of this show have no doubt seen Inner Light, or Best of Both Worlds, or Drumhead before and yet can't understand what they are supposed to write here.
Edit: I think that this doesn't apply to the SNW team, who have done, IMO, a pretty good job of replicating these old themes and stories and clearly have some talent on staff that knows the history and respects it. I differ with you there, Cap, as I didn't think last season of SNW was bad. I think it needed more story driving, but I truly think that it is being dismissed by the upper brass because it is exactly too close to og trek. Kurtzman hates OG trek and that's why the products he creates suck so bad.
I just dont understand how they could so consistently hire writers that seem to actively hate the history, lore, and fanhood of the franchise. Can't they hire someone who's watched at least 1/3 of star trek episodes and understands them?
This is actually an on-going issue with genre adaptations. Sci-fi, fantasy, super-heroes, etc. Series with long standing back-ground and lore. NuTrek, The Star Wars sequels, The Witcher, Game of Thrones, Rings of Power, Superman, Wheel of Time, The Boys and down the line.
It's a mish-mash of issues, some of them being unreasonable expectations from fans, such as how these things can possibly translate from page to screen or from 40+ years ago to the modern times. Some of it is on the writers, either just not understanding what made the older stories resonate so well or feeling like they can tell the story better. Some of it is at the production level, with modern technology and a different industry style of putting things to screen. Shorter tv seasons that act like ten hour movies, leaving no room for episodes like Drumhead or Inner Light, and every movie needing to leave openings for being added to a larger universe.
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It totally blows my mind that the writers of this show have no doubt seen Inner Light, or Best of Both Worlds, or Drumhead before and yet can't understand what they are supposed to write here.
Not necessarily. One of the big issues that leads to teams of writers and producers missing the mark is that they were not fans or interested in the IP before being brought on. This in particular is what sunk the Witcher.
Orville and Galaxy Quest were love letters to Star Trek and were received by fans as such.
Yes, exactly this. The people who made those were actual fans of the idea of Star Trek and, while The Orville's first season was very clearly a lampoon of Star Trek as the show went on you really began to understand that it was an homage.
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I just dont understand how they could so consistently hire writers that seem to actively hate the history, lore, and fanhood of the franchise. Can't they hire someone who's watched at least 1/3 of star trek episodes and understands them?
It totally blows my mind that the writers of this show have no doubt seen Inner Light, or Best of Both Worlds, or Drumhead before and yet can't understand what they are supposed to write here.
Edit: I think that this doesn't apply to the SNW team, who have done, IMO, a pretty good job of replicating these old themes and stories and clearly have some talent on staff that knows the history and respects it. I differ with you there, Cap, as I didn't think last season of SNW was bad. I think it needed more story driving, but I truly think that it is being dismissed by the upper brass because it is exactly too close to og trek. Kurtzman hates OG trek and that's why the products he creates suck so bad.
I don't think the writers hate Star Trek, I don't think they care about Star Trek, I certainly believe that they don't understand Star Trek, and because of that we get writing that makes no sense. I will also say that the writers are sloppy as they will write something and contradict it completely later in the same episode.
I finally figured out why I hate the dialogue writing, I mentioned it above they the writers all want to be Josh Whedon. But after thinking about that awful confrontation between the Captain and the pilot with the nonsensical origami chicken thing.
These writers think that their viewers live on X or Twitter, so they take their dialogue writing from X. That whole conversation between Ake and what's his name was literally like two idiots on X trolling each other, right down to the pirate loudly farting during the conversation.
With the level of viewship, the reactions and declining numbers and the amount of money that they have spent per episode, Paramount is going to be in a panic as it looks like this is going to kill a major IP.
It doesn't help when you have people like Picardo attacking viewers on line, and people shifting blame to "Reviewbombing" instead of understanding that their Trek target audience hates this thing and hate Kurtzman Trek.
They can't stop from running with two seasons, I would expect that its going to see declining viewership from already low numbers, and they'll refuse to spend any more money promoing it, they'll go to the end of the two seasons, fire Kurtzman quietly and bury the IP for a decade.
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Giant Robot speculates Episode 2 was written by A.I.
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If you asked artificial intelligence to write a television script about Betazoids, it might make the mistake of calling them empaths. It would make that mistake, because Deanna Troi, the most famous Betazoid character in all of Star Trek, was not telepathic; she was empathic.
However, Deanna was empathic because she was only half Betezaoid. Her mother, a full Betazoid named Lwaxana Troi, was like all other Betazoids we’ve ever encountered in the Star Trek universe, fully telepathic.
It’s the kind of thing that could easily confuse large language models, but absolutely not confuse anyone who simply looked up Betazoids on a Trek fan site like Memory Alpha.
The credits of the writers on the show do seem pretty thin, so it feels not impossible that A.I. is something they might have leaned on.
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Apparently in the future this guy really, really jacked the hell out of his prices and totally priced Starfleet out of the carpet market. Thus marble tile has infiltrated the Federation as the premier, inexplicable and wholly inappropriate flooring solution of choice.
Yeah, the flooring dealer saw these guys coming...I mean, marble on a warp capable ship, intermittent fluxes in the gravometric fields, that grout is going to crack before they even get the new ship smell off the bridge.
Giant Robot speculates Episode 2 was written by A.I.
The credits of the writers on the show do seem pretty thin, so it feels not impossible that A.I. is something they might have leaned on.
I doubt it was written by A.I. I do think it was written by people who were not Trek fans and only had passing familiarity with the universe. I think the only Betazoid we've seen in the last ten years is Deanna in Picard Season 1 and 3.
Canon mistakes are nothing new for Trek, even in the golden decade from '89 to '99. I know AI panic has everyone looking at everything and scrutinizing it but this just seems more likely to be a writer with only passing familiarity to the fandom and no one catching it during the vetting.
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This is precisely the problem though. Why are people who have none of the real knowledge of trek writing it? Why isn't at the very least a trek nerd part of the editory team to provide lore insight?
It's just lazy as #### at best, or maliciously disrespectful at worst. If you aren't going to respect the stories already told, or the fanhood that loved and nurtured them, then why not just make a new IP? Ah, because they want to suck us dry of our money through nostalgia. They're ####ing nostalgia parasites.
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This is precisely the problem though. Why are people who have none of the real knowledge of trek writing it? Why isn't at the very least a trek nerd part of the editory team to provide lore insight?
It's just lazy as #### at best, or maliciously disrespectful at worst. If you aren't going to respect the stories already told, or the fanhood that loved and nurtured them, then why not just make a new IP? Ah, because they want to suck us dry of our money through nostalgia. They're ####ing nostalgia parasites.
Or they "vetted" it with A.I... and got predictable results.
This is precisely the problem though. Why are people who have none of the real knowledge of trek writing it? Why isn't at the very least a trek nerd part of the editory team to provide lore insight?
It's just lazy as #### at best, or maliciously disrespectful at worst. If you aren't going to respect the stories already told, or the fanhood that loved and nurtured them, then why not just make a new IP? Ah, because they want to suck us dry of our money through nostalgia. They're ####ing nostalgia parasites.
It's the issues I pointed to before. I do think shows like this should be hiring series historians to consult and read things.
It could be malicious. We have heard Kurtzman hated Picard season 3 and sabotaged the continuation legacy show that was being planned with Terry Matalas at the helm partly because he doesn't think traditional Trek would work in the modern era. We've seen shows like Witcher where the show runners view the pre-existing fanbase that championed the show getting made (including their original lead actor) with contempt and intentionally write things to alienate them and find their own fanbase.
Most likely it is just carelessness. Again, we have rose tinted glasses for how often things like this were over-looked and then retconned with an explanation down the line.
Hollywood has been in a self destructive self sabotage mode now for years especially with the bigger IP's.
And its not just the writers, but the Actors. I mean in what world is it at all smart to attack your fanbase, and not do some actual self evaluation on the product that your putting out.
Maybe its time to bring in AI full force for writing, I mean it can't be any worse then what these writers on Trek are doing.
I think that the actors and writers knew this was a god awful product when you watch the red carpet interviews. Tawney Newsome, literally came out and said that the fans were going to rip it apart. One of the actors when asked about what the fans should expect, asked them for patience. Picardo lashed out at fans for criticizing it right after episode one.
This whole writer actor lash out thing that happens in Star Wars and Star Trek and other hollywood properties, where they scream at the fans that if they don't like it they're the problem and they should go watch something else, is ridiculous. Sure there are some fans that are making fun of the series for things like the weight of cast members, or the whole DEI thing. But for the most part the fans critism is about the writing and the characters and the dialogue and the bridge that looks like Denny Andrews at midnight, or the boring story lines.
Episode two was outright badly written and awful with a boring and stupid storyline, that's the issue, not that the writers are trying to mix a agenda in (though they are).
Is Star Trek a dead property? Not yet, but it really is on life support, and it needs SNW to have an outstanding season to save it, because with two seasons in the can for Academy, I doubt it gets any better.
If the numbers are to be believed, in that nobody is watching it on streaming, and it got pathetic viewship on the free Youtube play of episode one, the smart move by Paramount is to have an accidental fire that destroys all of the episodes on the server, arrange for Alex Kurtzman to go into witness protection as a drive through operator at a Wendy's. Let Star Trek sit for a decade and bring it back for the 70'th anniversary.
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When I really cringed in episode 2 besides the obvious, was when Ake was telling the Cadets what to do to be good cadets. You know make your beds, show up for class on time, I was like, even in the day and age of peaceful exploration, these are 18 or 20 year old young adults, and the Academy is suppossed to teach the needed dicipline to command people, and that's the lesson?
By the way I feel bad for saying this, because I really like Holly Hunter, but she is terrible, part because of the script, part because of some of the decisions that's she's made to play Ake and all because her delivery, its like she's suddenly become a terrible actress.
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This is precisely the problem though. Why are people who have none of the real knowledge of trek writing it? Why isn't at the very least a trek nerd part of the editory team to provide lore insight?
It's just lazy as #### at best, or maliciously disrespectful at worst. If you aren't going to respect the stories already told, or the fanhood that loved and nurtured them, then why not just make a new IP? Ah, because they want to suck us dry of our money through nostalgia. They're ####ing nostalgia parasites.
As I recall, they tried that. It was called 'Star Trek Nemesis.' It did not go well.
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