[Trade] Andersson (50% retained) to Vegas for 27 1st, cond 28 2nd, Whitecloud, Wiebe

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Let me ask you this though, you are extremely knowledgeable on the team. You know how this ownership and management runs things generally.

Do you honestly think we are going to trade Whitecloud for a pick. Or is it more likely he becomes another "great vet, great culture guy". Because I think the latter is more likely.

I think he can become both. Great vets and great culture guys are a dime a dozen. They have him under contract for 2.5 years. I highly doubt they re-sign him at that time, if he's still on the roster.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

That’s cool, hopefully it can make her happy. It doesn’t resonate for me personally, but to each their own.

If they move him it would need to be for significant assets to make up for this mess. Andersson was our best shot at a top end center prospect and we ended up with more defencemen and a low end first round pick along with a 2nd.

The team's best shot at a top-end centre prospect is the 2027 1st-round pick. That was never going to happen through a trade.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Trade him before all leverage is lost. Playoffs at any cost model is showing how stupid the franchise truly is.

Maybe trade players before you ‘have to’ . But they won’t.

Now with whitecloud why trade kadri or Coleman, we’re probably a wildcard team next year !!!!!!!!!!

This doesn't make any sense, sorry. If they were a playoffs at any cost team why have they been trading any vets over the last 2 or 3 years? Wouldn't they hold onto to all of them to try to make the playoffs?

They're clearly rebuilding. Two more draft picks added today. Just enjoy the ride.

[5abi]

Crazy the poll is a normal distribution.

[Sandman]

Francis just tweeted that Conny had 5 teams in the mix, but they either dropped out or reduced their offers when they found out that Andersson wouldn’t sign. He also refused to give Conny a number he would sign for to stay in Calgary.

[traptor]

I think they need to flip Whitecloud ASAP.


Hes attractive because of his contract, so maximize that.


He has term, he's cheap and no trade protection. He could be an attractive time asset while he has a decent chunk of term left

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I'm not a victim, I'm just stating my opinions.

You don't have to agree with me. Clearly there are a lot of people who aren't as happy about the trade either. So it seems kind of split. You're going to get different opinions.

For the 100th time its not the opinion its the over the top stuff after like "cant wait to trade Kadri and Coleman for a 2nd" when this deal is far beyond that and for a rental.

That being said 71% think the deal is expected or better "split"

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Yeah, I try not to call teams I cheer for loser franchises, but it is getting close to believing we will never be a winner.

I might need to just take a break from this team, I have never been more frustrated with management or ownership than over the past year.

I've always stated you can't set restrictions in trades and need to aim for the maximum potential value.

If 30 year old Whitecloud is part of getting the maximum potential value back in a deal then you make that trade.

A guy that's played on a strong defensive team in Vegas and is able to lead their team in total ice time averaging 16 minutes a game at 5v5 the last 3 years, and also played the third most PK minutes and average about 1:30 on the PK per game is worth a lot of value.

He holds more value than just getting another mid round pick in the deal, because i do truly believe if managed correctly he could return a 1st in a trade with his contract and playoff pedigree.

I'm not sure they have to move him right now, but between now and next deadline I think they should trade him, and I think when they do they will get a good return for him.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Andy83

I honestly don't understand the outrage from some posters.

If people looked at the return, in isolation, without considering all the insider chat over the last week, did any of you honestly expect more for Raz as a pure rental?

Sure, would have been great if he signed prior to the deal. But he didn't.

Hopefully, Whitecloud gets flipped for a 2nd+, and its 1 1st and 2 2nds, or 2 1sts and 1 2nd.

Pretty good for a rental 30 y/o that has made it clear he's testing FA and looking to cash in.

I think most of it comes from the fact that it's Vegas, and the baggage of the Hanifin issue.

To Vancouver: Lindholm
To Calgary: Kuzmenko, 1st, Conditional 4th, Jurmo, Brzustewicz

To Vegas: Andersson
To Calgary: Whitecloud, 1st, 2nd (possible 1st), Wiebe

Whitecloud > Kuzmenko + Jurmo
2nd (possible 1st) + Wiebe >= Conditional 4th + Brzustewicz
1st = 1st

Lindholm's deal is heralded as a big win, but this isn't?

I don't track it. I think both deals are pretty equal.

To me, this ties the Lindholm trade as Conroy's 2nd best trade (Markstrom being the best).

I 100% understand some of the optics of it being Vegas though, but outside of that...I'm fine with this trade.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

This doesn't make any sense, sorry. If they were a playoffs at any cost team why have they been trading any vets over the last 2 or 3 years? Wouldn't they hold onto to all of them to try to make the playoffs?

They're clearly rebuilding. Two more draft picks added today. Just enjoy the ride.

If they trade whitecloud asap, I agree.

My guess is that whitecloud is a replacement to the rd position for the playoff push next year.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dino7c

For the 100th time its not the opinion its the over the top stuff after like "cant wait to trade Kadri and Coleman for a 2nd" when this deal is far beyond that and for a rental.

That being said 71% think the deal is expected or better "split"

To me the interesting thing is that 90% of the voters think it's a modest loss, expected, or modest win.

Underscores that most of the site have a pretty balanced take on things. The extreme views often dominate the debate, which makes some sense I guess.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Some think he could get a 1st. If he got 2 2nds, or a 2nd and a decent prospect, that would be awesome.

Then the trade is: 1st + 2nd that could be a 1st + 2 2nds plus a flier prospect

How is not a great return for Andersson?

If the Flames go that direction and flip Whitecloud that would likely be a home run of a trade at that point. I know my Flames, though, and if I were to guess what the intention of acquiring Whitecloud in the deal was that they acquired him as a replacement for Andersson.

They like their one NHL player per big trade that can be plugged into the NHL line up to keep the team chugging along after the loss of the traded player. Whitecloud fits that perfectly, imo.

[5abi]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

If they trade whitecloud asap, I agree.

My guess is that whitecloud is a replacement to the rd position for the playoff push next year.

So they got better by getting worse. I see.

[indes]

Yup this looks about right to me for a rental #3D. If anything handcuffed the Flames it was Rasmus' play last year. There was no way he was getting more last year after looking like he took a step back.

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

He’s not waiver fodder imo. He played middle pairing minutes when Theodore and McNabb went down. He’s a fine 4/5 and holds his own. I think that fetches something, especially with the term.

"When Theodore and McNabb went down", being the key factor there. He was a placeholder that held his own when given the opportunity. We saw that with Hanley last year. Nobody's going to trade for Hanley as a top-4 guy.

I'm exaggerating because he's better than Hanley and has a far longer track record of being an NHL regular. But I just don't think the league sees him as a bona-fide top-4 and are willing to pay that kind of a price for him, and more importantly (and this is key), I don't think Calgary acquired him to flip him.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

This doesn't make any sense, sorry. If they were a playoffs at any cost team why have they been trading any vets over the last 2 or 3 years? Wouldn't they hold onto to all of them to try to make the playoffs?

They're clearly rebuilding. Two more draft picks added today. Just enjoy the ride.

8+ firsts over 4 drafts
"Going all in to be a wildcard team"

You cant reason with some posters

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

I think that people wanted a young player to cheer for now, like the ones rumoured in the trade thread.

I think that's the biggest issue for those on here that are upset at the return. Some of the rumors and posts here and social media sites got a lot of people riled up that the Flames could get what they were reading, and more. So when that didn't happen..........time to lash out at the organization. When none of the proposals they were reading were even proposed in the first place, or obviously the Flames would have accepted.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

If they trade whitecloud asap, I agree.

My guess is that whitecloud is a replacement to the rd position for the playoff push next year.

My guess is that there is no possibility of a playoff push next year, and everybody in the Flames' front office knows it. It's just against corporate policy to say so, because that might frighten the horses.

A team that is below .500 with Andersson is not magically going to play .550 hockey after downgrading him to Whitecloud – quite apart from other trades and personnel changes.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by jayswin

If the Flames go that direction and flip Whitecloud that would likely be a home run of a trade at that point. I know my Flames, though, and if I were to guess what the intention of acquiring Whitecloud in the deal was that they acquired him as a replacement for Andersson.

They like their one NHL player per big trade that can be plugged into the NHL line up to keep the team chugging along after the loss of the traded player. Whitecloud fits that perfectly, imo.

Well there's another scenario which is that they trade a guy like Hanely instead.

They have too many dmen. Too many on the roster and more coming.

At some point someone's being moved out. Probably more than one.

[robertsfanatic]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

If they trade whitecloud asap, I agree.

My guess is that whitecloud is a replacement to the rd position for the playoff push next year.

when they trade Coleman and Kadri what nonsense will you make up next? playoff push, smh