[Trade] Andersson (50% retained) to Vegas for 27 1st, cond 28 2nd, Whitecloud, Wiebe

[sketchyt]

Average mid return. It’s just incredibly boring. Also, Whitecloud is being severely undervalued here. He’s a solid 4-5 D.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Well, this was not surprising at all. Hear a whole bunch of malarky about massive packages available in trade and then have the Flames bolster a divisional rival with a third-rate deal that really does nothing for the team and pushes the rebiggle out even further. Does this team have a plan to speak of?

I mean, what an absolute brutal return! McCrimmon has to have pictures of Conroy with farm animals in compromising positions. That's the only way explanation for managing to bend Calgary over for two top four defensemen and giving up very little (late future first rounders). A first and a conditional second a full year out is joke, but it tracks with the Hanifin trade. Conroy managed to get painted into a corner where Vegas was able to turn a future 1st, two years out, into a top pair defenseman. Oh, and the conditions on that future first were leveraged to get a top six center out of San Jose in Hertl, which hurt the future pick. Zero thinking about impact on the investment you just made.

But hey, we got a collection of crap (Miromanov and Whitecloud) to go along with the bag of futures that Vegas doesn't have to worry about impacting them until they have had a year or two of playoff appearances on the back of the Calgary Flames. Conroy buried the wedge on the Hanifin deal and then returns to the scene of the crime to bury a second wedge on a deal for Andersson? I appreciate the idea of getting first rounders, but get first rounders in the next draft where you have certainty. Picks two years out is just poor form, unless you know that team is going to fall apart. But that is not the case with these deals. We are fortifying the team we want to see fail.

It is so dumb letting Vegas play with Calgary's house money, just flat out dumb. Conroy is taking draft picks and then helping the opposition team get better, to work against the Flames's interests in getting the highest pick possible! You are gambling on the future pick being better than the immediate pick you know you're going to get, but then fortify that team to make that team stronger and the pick weaker? I like Conroy, but Jesus he needs to learn to do his job better. Stop working against your own interests!

This is a great post!

[Flamescuprun2018]

Whitecloud and Raddysh are the only right handed, right shot Dmen, playing top 4 minutes for a playoff bound team, making less than 3 million and under age 30.

I think we are all undervaluing his trade potential?

His AAV remains under 3 million for 2 seasons after this one.

[robertsfanatic]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

That’s fair but I think Whitecloud means they flip one of Pachal, Hanley or Whitecloud eventually before the start of next year. Can’t imagine the plan for next year is to have one of Hunter or Zayne in the minors next season.

I think Whitecloud gets the biggest return but getting him imo means one of those guys gets moved.

i agree that they will likely flip one of those 3 but i feel like depending how ZP plays the rest of this year and at camp, i could see him go to the farm for a bit.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Glad to hear. Hope all is well
When people stop posting suddenly I worry about them.

Appreciate that amigo. Enjoying life got in the way of being here. Someone said go take a walk, so I did, all over the SE U.S. on the best golf courses I could find.

[Flame On]

What I can't believe is the Flames actually retained to help them in a deal that inherently weakens one of our previous deals.
What part was the pay off for the retention (which would probably better used with Kadri/Coleman), Whitecloud?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Joborule

When you have an organization that's not cutthroat with handling their assets to get the best possible return - due to not fully acknowledging that their team is not within a contention window - this is the type of return you get by waiting too long.

I don't think you get anything different trading him this time last year.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by browna

Yeah I guess but it’s because they painted themselves into the corner for the past year or so for it to get to this timing. All in the name of keeping player relations in good standing, which the Flames are mindful of because they don’t have a lot of other organizational things going for them when it comes to attracting players.

Presumably Conroy had reason to believe that Rasmus was open to an extension with some teams. Either Rasmus had a little change of heart, Conroy didn't read the situation correctly or he was just hoping that someone like Boston would change his mind once they threw big money at him.

In any case, it does feel like a bit of waste of time.

[iloveicedhockey]

I remember people being unhappy at the Markstrom return; some even unhappy at the Lindholm return. I'm going to wait a while before passing judgement. Whitecloud is a piece to flip, and contenders love that type of add at the deadline.

I feel like we would've got less last summer because of Andersson's bad year, and can only imagine how pissed people would be on here to see some other GM get more for Ras at the TDL than Conny did, if thar theoretical team couldn't resign him.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Hi Jiri. Long time. Been on a golf-about. Good year to do that as a Flames fan.

By the looks of it, there's at least 5 more after this that you can do the same. You might miss 850 Flames goals in that time.

[CgyFlamesftw]

Trade Whitecloud for a 2nd and this trade turns into a win potentially.

[kobasew19]

How’s the 2028 draft class look?

[Bonded]

The real answer now was trading Andersson at the 24 draft. Carlo was a terrible trade by Treliving but shows the value of extra years.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by EDMONTONisNG

I think the most annoying part about this trade for me is that we have VGKs first this year. I feel like we just shot ourselves in the foot and weakened our draft position

It was going to be a late first. It will be a late first.

Most seasons, each team's list is so different by that point in the draft, you're likely taking the same player at 25 or 32.

[bluejays]

I do place some blame on Conroy as it's his responsibility to maximize the return, but I don't think he deserves a lot of blame. Maloney is the liaise to ownership. Why didn't this guy allow this to be done last year? If ownership is pushing for something that's going to be colossally dumb down the road, it's up to Maloney to pitch and gain concurrence that this team isn't in a good position and they need to go a different route. Conroy also has to voice to Disco Don what his concerns are, but as a rookie GM I understand the tough position he is in. He's doing the best he can with the idiots above.

[robertsfanatic]

Originally Posted by getbak

It was going to be a late first. It will be a late first.

Most seasons, each team's list is so different by that point in the draft, you're likely taking the same player at 25 or 32.

Thanks!

[FusionX]

Originally Posted by Flame On

What I can't believe is the Flames actually retained to help them in a deal that inherently weakens one of our previous deals.
What part was the pay off for the retention (which would probably better used with Kadri/Coleman), Whitecloud?

Good question about what the retention got us, but realistically, we were never going to retain on Kadri (IMO) and we still can do Coleman which should hopefully increase value there dramatically.

[Phaneuf_Phan]

Awesome - Playoff hockey is back baby!
Go Vegas! Let's upgrade to a first 🥇

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Never understood why we have to make the player happy, we could have traded him to 20 other teams.

Is the Vegas deal without extension really that much better?

I doubt 20 teams were making serious trade offers for him. I mean sure, there were probably at least 20 teams that would take him if they thought they were getting steal of a deal, but that's true for any player.

The rumours had about 5 or 6 teams seriously interested enough to make offers (L.A., Detroit, Boston, San Jose, and possibly Dallas) and Andersson had 2 of those on his 6 team NTC. So really, Conroy probably only got 3 or 4 competing offers worth considering at the most.

[Jason14h]

I guess we’ll know if Flames are rebuilding or rebiggling if they trade Whitecloud