[Trade] Andersson (50% retained) to Vegas for 27 1st, cond 28 2nd, Whitecloud, Wiebe

[getbak]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Maybe the mystery team that came in with the last minute offer for Andersson was the Kings?

Seravalli on 960 says he heard the Kings were also given permission to talk to Andersson.

Recently, or in the summer?

Speaking of the summer, what was Vegas rumoured to be offering back then?

[EDMONTONisNG]

This trade hinges on whether we trade Whitecloud or not.

[tkflames]

Loved the names out there more...however...

I remember the mood when Baertschi got traded for a 2nd.

Baertschi for a 1st/2nd/Whitecloud and 5-7 round equivalent....

Not bad.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Well, this was not surprising at all. Hear a whole bunch of malarky about massive packages available in trade and then have the Flames bolster a divisional rival with a third-rate deal that really does nothing for the team and pushes the rebiggle out even further. Does this team have a plan to speak of?

I mean, what an absolute brutal return! McCrimmon has to have pictures of Conroy with farm animals in compromising positions. That's the only way explanation for managing to bend Calgary over for two top four defensemen and giving up very little (late future first rounders). A first and a conditional second a full year out is joke, but it tracks with the Hanifin trade. Conroy managed to get painted into a corner where Vegas was able to turn a future 1st, two years out, into a top pair defenseman. Oh, and the conditions on that future first were leveraged to get a top six center out of San Jose in Hertl, which hurt the future pick. Zero thinking about impact on the investment you just made.

But hey, we got a collection of crap (Miromanov and Whitecloud) to go along with the bag of futures that Vegas doesn't have to worry about impacting them until they have had a year or two of playoff appearances on the back of the Calgary Flames. Conroy buried the wedge on the Hanifin deal and then returns to the scene of the crime to bury a second wedge on a deal for Andersson? I appreciate the idea of getting first rounders, but get first rounders in the next draft where you have certainty. Picks two years out is just poor form, unless you know that team is going to fall apart. But that is not the case with these deals. We are fortifying the team we want to see fail.

It is so dumb letting Vegas play with Calgary's house money, just flat out dumb. Conroy is taking draft picks and then helping the opposition team get better, to work against the Flames's interests in getting the highest pick possible! You are gambling on the future pick being better than the immediate pick you know you're going to get, but then fortify that team to make that team stronger and the pick weaker? I like Conroy, but Jesus he needs to learn to do his job better. Stop working against your own interests!

[Funkhouser]

Unfortunately, the Flames will likely not flip Whitecloud and will instead push our prospects down.

Its the Flames way

[Jiri Hrdina]

Holy #### it's Lanny.

[Rutuu]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Probably out of the playoffs for at least 7 years total, maybe 8. This year will be 8 straight for Anaheim, that is probably a decent team to compare the Flames rebuild to imo.

Agree again.

Which is where my frustration with this franchise begins. The writing was on the wall and they have wasted 3yrs+, so we're in a 7yr+ rebuild.

Also...at the moment, they're not exactly building a contender with the rebuild. At least Treiliving's had a few centers and superstar winger early in his.

[the-rasta-masta]

Also to consider in the return is the Flames are a worse team moving forward and our own pick hopefully is going to be even higher. Currently 4th and can only see it getting better. Rebiggle is on.

[Strange Brew]

This also tells you how lousy the other offers were. You know that Conroy didn't want to strengthen Vegas, nor take picks that were so far out.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

My problem is that I don't have confidence that the Flames will flip Whitecloud. They seem to value having these kind of players on the roster to support younger players.

I actually can't recall a time when the Flames flipped a player in the same season they acquired him.

That’s fair but I think Whitecloud means they flip one of Pachal, Hanley or Whitecloud eventually before the start of next year. Can’t imagine the plan for next year is to have one of Hunter or Zayne in the minors next season.

I think Whitecloud gets the biggest return but getting him imo means one of those guys gets moved.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by the-rasta-masta

Also to consider in the return is the Flames are a worse team moving forward and our own pick hopefully is going to be even higher. Currently 4th and can only see it getting better. Rebiggle is on.

Gonna have a big impact on the room I think as well.

[Jiggy]

Andersson told the Flames he wouldn't sign an extension anywhere and supposedly Vegas had the best rental offer.

[Parallex]

I hate this trade... I hate losing Raz, I hate the return, I really hate that it's ####ing Vegas.

[Strange Brew]

Lanny drops in. Nice, I'm here for that kind of unfiltered takedown even if I don't agree with all of it.

[EDMONTONisNG]

I think the most annoying part about this trade for me is that we have VGKs first this year. I feel like we just shot ourselves in the foot and weakened our draft position

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Holy #### it's Lanny.

Hi Jiri. Long time. Been on a golf-about. Good year to do that as a Flames fan.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

This also tells you how lousy the other offers were. You know that Conroy didn't want to strengthen Vegas, nor take picks that were so far out.

Yeah I guess but it’s because they painted themselves into the corner for the past year or so for it to get to this timing. All in the name of keeping player relations in good standing, which the Flames are mindful of because they don’t have a lot of other organizational things going for them when it comes to attracting players.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by the-rasta-masta

Also to consider in the return is the Flames are a worse team moving forward and our own pick hopefully is going to be even higher. Currently 4th and can only see it getting better. Rebiggle is on.

This would be true for any trade they made.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Hi Jiri. Long time. Been on a golf-about. Good year to do that as a Flames fan.

Glad to hear. Hope all is well
When people stop posting suddenly I worry about them.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Rutuu

Agree again.

Which is where my frustration with this franchise begins. The writing was on the wall and they have wasted 3yrs+, so we're in a 7yr+ rebuild.

Also...at the moment, they're not exactly building a contender with the rebuild. At least Treiliving's had a few centers and superstar winger early in his.

Well almost every rebuilding team takes the amount of time the Ducks seem to be taking (8-9 years). The only cheat code seems to be drafting a Hart Trophy nominee and have him turn into a Hart Trophy nominee less than 24 months after he was drafted.

It is also to be determined how good Conroy’s picks this year and the next two years are. They will likely be top 5 picks and could expedite it. But most rebuilding teams seem to take 7-9 years to reach a point where they are good (Montreal and San Jose being the only real exceptions I can think of).