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[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Hard to really get to your game when you're only getting 7-8 minutes. There isnt even enough time to make mistakes and learn from them.

He can't skate very well. A 4th liner needs energy and he's just "there". This is how most guys break into the league and it's on him to be noticeable and earn more time. Honzek did it. Klapka did it.

[Enoch Root]

The under-25 depth chart for LW:

Zary
Honzek
Stromgren
Suniev
Basha
with a strong possibility that McKenna or Stenberg is added in June.

If Stromgren can show that he is an NHLer, then awesome! Found money. But the only guy on that list that I have him ahead of is Basha. And Basha still has lots of runway.

So yeah, if it works out - great. If it doesn't work out, so be it.

[Roof-Daddy]

Stromgren has played 3 NHL games. Three.

And this is a guy that clearly needs time to adjust to each higher level he reaches.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Where can one find full skating metrics? I'd like to see both what his average and top speeds are and what his burst levels are like.
He looks slow to me, but our eyes deceive us some time.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Dx54

I don't think you're in the minority. Just that the sickos on this board seem to want to cling on to every hollow victory and that they're content with the whole "whatever happens happens" type mantra.

This has to be one of the most unlikeable rosters ever assembled by the Flames and there have been some bad ones. This isn't a team, its just a bunch of random players assembled to play hockey. No core. No vision. Nothing.

What a stupid post

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Where can one find full skating metrics? I'd like to see both what his average and top speeds are and what his burst levels are like.
He looks slow to me, but our eyes deceive us some time.

NHL Edge is the only one I really know of.

Has him <50th percentile in max speed and 60th percentile in distance per 60.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

NHL Edge is the only one I really know of.

Has him <50th percentile in max speed and 60th percentile in distance per 60.

So average. That combined with not anticipating as well for NHL play would set him behind the play a fair bit. Both of those things can improve though.

I admit though, I'm really wanting the Flames to have more team speed. It's really lacking. The fastest guys are role players. The skill guys are average speed at best. And it's been that way ever since I can remember. The only really fast skill guys on the team was Fleury. Maybe Loob was fast - I don't really recall.

[The EBUG's EBUG]

Agree to disagree on the player exposure front. Hard to gain meaningful experience with a shift every 10 minutes.

Bit of a Catch 22 for the guy. Has he shown enough to get more ice time? Not particularly. Has he gotten enough ice time to show that he's worth using more? Also probably not. Both are right.

I've said this before but I'm a big fan of a guy being given a bigger role and then being reigned in if needed then sneaking him out there twice a period or something. Alas, imagine he's back in the minors as soon as Pospisil is ready.

[dino7c]

Guy isn't going to be a top six NHLer...why would he be gifted those minutes exactly? no team does that. High end prospects MIGHT get a look up top.

[The EBUG's EBUG]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Guy isn't going to be a top six NHLer...why would he be gifted those minutes exactly? no team does that. High end prospects MIGHT get a look up top.

I don't think its unreasonable to at least give a guy at least a semi regular shift if you're going to call him up and see what you have.

His average of 7:17 so far would be tied for the lowest in the NHL for any regular player this season (Lomberg being the 5th lowest). Don't think it's "gifting" a guy minutes to play him more than the 0th percentile in the league and plenty of teams give guys more rope than that.

If he's literally there to be a body and play the least amount of anybody in the league then you might as well have Hunt do it, or another guy you're not worried about developing.

Again, agree to disagree, if I were a GM I wouldn't be thrilled with how his development is being handled but clearly the coaches don't think much of him.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Guy isn't going to be a top six NHLer...why would he be gifted those minutes exactly? no team does that. High end prospects MIGHT get a look up top.

I don't think anyone wants him to get top 6 minutes, just a regular shift.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

He can't skate very well. A 4th liner needs energy and he's just "there". This is how most guys break into the league and it's on him to be noticeable and earn more time. Honzek did it. Klapka did it.

The team's situation is different now. They are literally just playing out the string. If you are trying to complete for something.. then sure make these guys force their way in. But literally the only thing that matters this season for the Flames is keeping value up for current or future trade assets and developing young guys.

If he sucks - you at least know he's not part of the future and added bonus - you lose more games.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The EBUG's EBUG

I don't think its unreasonable to at least give a guy at least a semi regular shift if you're going to call him up and see what you have.

His average of 7:17 so far would be tied for the lowest in the NHL for any regular player this season (Lomberg being the 5th lowest). Don't think it's "gifting" a guy minutes to play him more than the 0th percentile in the league and plenty of teams give guys more rope than that.

If he's literally there to be a body and play the least amount of anybody in the league then you might as well have Hunt do it, or another guy you're not worried about developing.

Again, agree to disagree, if I were a GM I wouldn't be thrilled with how his development is being handled but clearly the coaches don't think much of him.

Klapka averaged under 7 minutes in his first 6 games. Upped it to 9 the next year. Now he's a regular impact player up and down the lineup. Maybe some patience is warranted.

I think Huska isn't shy about giving rookies more minutes though - Pospisil, Coronato, etc. got more than Stromgren. So I think he's just monitoring and doing what he thinks best.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

The team's situation is different now. They are literally just playing out the string. If you are trying to complete for something.. then sure make these guys force their way in. But literally the only thing that matters this season for the Flames is keeping value up for current or future trade assets and developing young guys.

If he sucks - you at least know he's not part of the future and added bonus - you lose more games.

And if you harm development by not putting the kids in a position to succeed? Just cannon fodder for the tank I guess?

[The EBUG's EBUG]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Klapka averaged under 7 minutes in his first 6 games. Upped it to 9 the next year. Now he's a regular impact player up and down the lineup. Maybe some patience is warranted.

I think Huska isn't shy about giving rookies more minutes though - Pospisil, Coronato, etc. got more than Stromgren. So I think he's just monitoring and doing what he thinks best.

Alright man, again, agree to disagree.

[The EBUG's EBUG]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

And if you harm development by not putting the kids in a position to succeed? Just cannon fodder for the tank I guess?

Ok there, lets not pretend 7:17 of ice is a "position to succeed". That's just an indifference to a player.

You don't have to go to bat this hard for Huska. Some of us think playing a rookie at the lowest rate in the league for his first games is a poor use of ice time and the player, you disagree, that's ok.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The EBUG's EBUG

Ok there, lets not pretend 7:17 of ice is a "position to succeed". That's just an indifference to a player.

You don't have to go to bat this hard for Huska. Some of us think playing a rookie at the lowest rate in the league for his first games is a poor use of ice time and the player, you disagree, that's ok.

Was Klapka harmed by getting 6 minutes over his first 6 games? yes or no? Stromgren just doesn't seem to be up the NHL play.

You don't have to swing so hard to find things to criticize. Rookie getting minimal ice time over 3 games isn't something unusual.

[The EBUG's EBUG]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Was Klapka harmed by getting 6 minutes over his first 6 games? yes or no?

Stromgren just doesn't seem to be up the NHL play.

Got me, Adam Klapka is the poster child for the only correct and effective development model, Huska master class again.

Nobody can have any other opinion on player development. Good chat.

[The EBUG's EBUG]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You don't have to swing so hard to find things to criticize. Rookie getting minimal ice time over 3 games isn't something unusual.

I'm not swinging hard, all I said was I wish he was playing more? Can't say that though because 2 seasons ago a guy also didn't play much in his first games so I can't be right.

It's wild how defensive some people are on here.

[PepsiFree]

Why do you guys always turn someone disagreeing with your opinion into you not being allowed to have one?

Man’s gotta grow up eventually.