08-05-2007, 05:07 PM
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#41
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If you wont accept Oh, I'll give the title to Josh Gibson - no one really knows how many HRs he hit, but it was more than Barry.
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08-06-2007, 04:23 AM
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#42
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Mar 2006
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CaramonLS
If you wont accept Oh, I'll give the title to Josh Gibson - no one really knows how many HRs he hit, but it was more than Barry.
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1. One can NEVER statistically validate a comparison of Bonds and Gibson.
2. Gibson was on drugs too. Perhaps they weren't performance inhancing drugs, but they sure did something to him.
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08-07-2007, 09:02 AM
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#43
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Had an idea!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dion
Bonds was 36 years old when he reached 500 HR plateau where as A Rod reached the same mark at age 32. If A Rod plays into his 40's like Bonds is doing we could see numbers in the 800's. Of course all this hinges on weather A Rod chooses to play that long.
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Considering the pride that A-rod has in his game...he will break the home-run record.
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08-07-2007, 12:02 PM
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#44
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Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Calgary
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I have read a few comments on CNN about him and his soon-to-be record. I still think he is one of the best hitters ever, regardless of drugs or not.
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08-07-2007, 12:07 PM
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#45
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Join Date: Aug 2007
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All I know is my friend takes steriods and he can't hit 755 home runs in the MLB. He does have Backnee though.
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08-07-2007, 12:28 PM
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#46
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Retired
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Quote:
Originally Posted by foofighter15
All I know is my friend takes steriods and he can't hit 755 home runs in the MLB. He does have Backnee though.
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Come on now, that isn't fair.
Marginally player + Riods = Good player
Good player + Roids = Great player
Great player + Roids = HOFer
HOFer + Roids = Greatest player of all time.
Bonds was a lock for the Hall pre-1997/1998 when he allegedly started taking them. What this did was make him one of the greatest to ever play the game. Your best years shouldn't be when you are in the twilight of your career.
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08-07-2007, 12:42 PM
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#47
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Calgary
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Congrats to Bonds.
As said countless times, its MLB that caused this with their obvious ignorance early. Reminds me alot of the Lance Armstrong thing - likely roided early then when de Tour started getting suspicious he was on a good enough team he didnt need to.
MYK
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08-07-2007, 01:30 PM
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Jul 2003
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ricoFlame
meh, that kinda thing can happen, brady anderson had his flash in the pan 50 home run year in '96.
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From what I remember, Canseco said in his book that Anderson took roids.
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08-07-2007, 03:15 PM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CaramonLS
Come on now, that isn't fair.
Marginally player + Riods = Good player
Good player + Roids = Great player
Great player + Roids = HOFer
HOFer + Roids = Greatest player of all time.
Bonds was a lock for the Hall pre-1997/1998 when he allegedly started taking them. What this did was make him one of the greatest to ever play the game. Your best years shouldn't be when you are in the twilight of your career.
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Just a general question for all Bond haters out there...whether he took roids or not, what offense is that to you?? so many seem to be taking this too seriously. If anything, like MYK mentioned the MLB is the one at fault here.
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08-07-2007, 06:06 PM
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#50
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Retired
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sadora
Just a general question for all Bond haters out there...whether he took roids or not, what offense is that to you?? so many seem to be taking this too seriously. If anything, like MYK mentioned the MLB is the one at fault here.
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Baseball is the most stats oriented league in all of pro-sports. It really is a numbers game, and it was one of the ultimate methods of statistical comparison between players from different eras.
The game has basically been the same since they moved the mound in 1890 I believe, and thats why baseball has always been a game of numbers. Untainted in large respect (aside from Beer and Wings).
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08-07-2007, 06:18 PM
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#51
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Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Stern Nation
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cheating has been a very common part of the game since the beginning. from corked bats to the plethora of cheating methods utilized by pitchers. i think that we would be naieve to assume that there have been no players that have made a career using one of these methods. it is important to consider that players have cheated long before steroids. what's the difference when we look at and consider how the statistics are affected?
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08-07-2007, 08:37 PM
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#52
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Join Date: Oct 2001
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people have cheated for years, yes. But nothing in the past can compare to the extra power provided by steroids. Greenies aren't going to make a hitter knock it that extra 50 feet.
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08-07-2007, 08:45 PM
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#53
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Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Stern Nation
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Quote:
Originally Posted by habernac
people have cheated for years, yes. But nothing in the past can compare to the extra power provided by steroids. Greenies aren't going to make a hitter knock it that extra 50 feet.
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50 feet? let's not go crazy here.
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08-07-2007, 09:01 PM
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#54
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Join Date: Oct 2001
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ricoFlame
50 feet? let's not go crazy here.
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yeah, a bit of an exaggeration, but you know what I mean.
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08-07-2007, 09:38 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Stern Nation
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Quote:
Originally Posted by habernac
yeah, a bit of an exaggeration, but you know what I mean.
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yeah, i read ya. it's a noticible difference.
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08-07-2007, 09:44 PM
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#56
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: sector 7G
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The Bonds thing really pisses me off because the guy was an amazing player without the damn pharmacy. Rob Dibble was just on sportsnet, he wanted to know how steroids magically make a guy hit better. No one has ever argued that it makes them hit better, Rob, it gives them more power, stupid.
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08-07-2007, 09:52 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2005
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And there goes 756....
And Bonds is already home and they are still fighting over the ball in the RF Bleachers
Mike Bacsik gives up the dinger.
And Hank Aaron recorded a message that was shown on the jumbotron congratulating Bonds.
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Last edited by Bobblehead; 08-07-2007 at 10:03 PM.
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08-07-2007, 09:56 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: sector 7G
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ah, crap. Hank sent a message. He's a lot more classy than I am.
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08-07-2007, 10:00 PM
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#59
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: in your blind spot.
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That pitch was right down the middle.
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"The problem with any ideology is that it gives the answer before you look at the evidence."
—Bill Clinton
"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance--it is the illusion of knowledge."
—Daniel J. Boorstin, historian, former Librarian of Congress
"But the Senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not explain his nudity"
—WKRP in Cincinatti
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08-07-2007, 10:11 PM
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#60
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wins 10 internets
Join Date: Feb 2006
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i just came in here to say that Barry Bonds' daughter is hot
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