Tom Glavine wins number 300

[Sylvanfan]

http://www.tsn.ca/mlb/news_story/?ID=215572&hubname=

23rd pitcher to do so and if Randy Johnson can't come back to pitch again could very well be the last guy to do so for the forseeable future.

Interesting that he was a 4th round pick (69th overall) of the L.A. Kings (same year and 102 places higher than Luc Robitaille!) as well and was a bigger hockey fan than baseball fan growing up in the Boston area. In my opinion this is an untainted milestone and something to take a minute to appreciate. Given how pitching is today in MLB winning 300 games is no small feat.

On the Jays telecast today they were talking about this and I wonder if it will open the door for a guy like Bert Blylevin to get in down the road here. Guy pitched 22 years and won 287 games.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/blylebe01.shtml

In 1973 he had 40 starts, 37 descision and threw 325 innings!!! And he still was able to pitch for 19 years after that. I don't think we'll ever see numbers like that again.

[Resolute 14]

If I was Bud Selig, I would have ignored Bonds entirely for Glavine's mark. This is a guy who deserves respect. Grats to Glavine.

[HOOT]

Thats crazy he was an NHL pick...that I think it an awesome record to obtain. Like you said 300 probably wont happen for a while if Randy doe not come back to play.

[Dr GonZo]

Originally Posted by Snakeeye

If I was Bud Selig, I would have ignored Bonds entirely for Glavine's mark. This is a guy who deserves respect. Grats to Glavine.

I find it amusing how Bonds haters, who usually are the first to complain about how much attention he's given, seem to divert to his doings on news with have hardly or no relevance to him at all.

[ricoFlame]

that's a great accomplishment, i don't think that anyone will win 300 again. too bad.

[habernac]

200 wins will be the new standard i think.

[Sylvanfan]

I was thinking more like 250 myself but that would be the number for consideration...not the automatic benchmark that 300 is. If you pitch about 15 years and average just over 16 wins a year you'll get to 250. Every pitcher who won 300 games had to have a fairly long career of 15 plus seasons. The thought on the 5 man rotation and pitch counts is that you should be able to extend a players career so the arguement might be a 20 year career today is no more taxing on someone than a 15 year career used to be.

Take Roy Halladay for instance he's 30 right now and I think has 107 wins in a 7 year career for arguements sake lets say he wins another 5 games this year to have 112 which would give him an average of 16 per year. Say he pitches another 10 years and averages 15 wins a year he'd get to 250. And he's a guy who hasn't exactly had great durability to date or fantastic health as he's missed significant portions of seasons to date. For him to win 200 he'd only need to average like 12 wins a year for another 7 years. Which really wouldn't be that outstanding, nor would it be hall of fame worthy.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by habernac

200 wins will be the new standard i think.

It depends. When you think HOF do you think David Wells, Mike Mussina or Jamie Moyer? All products of the 5 man rotation.

Mussina when he was in Baltimore was close to a Hall of fame type pitcher who was dominant, but if he had put up the same numbers he has with the yankees with another team, he'd probably be around 180. None of these guys have really been dominant, or only were for a little while - they've just hung around and picked up the wins with durability and consistancy.

It is really subjective, because the best pitchers can't all be winners and wrack up guady win totals. But I do agree, 300 wins is just far, far too much to expect from a guy in this era. I think perception has to play a role in it as well. When you think of dominance in the AL, you think of 2 guys - Santana and Halladay, always at the top of the leader board as far as wins, strikeouts, era is concerned for the last 2 years. I think when you look for members of the hall, if you're considered to be a top flight guy for 7-10 years, maybe that should be doing it instead of looking just at the numbers.

[GirlySports]

I would love to see a manager buck the system and go back to a 4 man-rotation. They could all go 6-7 innings each start with a solid bullpen. And on days that there's a blowout, rest them early.

Would take a real couragous manager though, one not afraid of his job!

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

I would love to see a manager buck the system and go back to a 4 man-rotation. They could all go 6-7 innings each start with a solid bullpen. And on days that there's a blowout, rest them early.

Would take a real couragous manager though, one not afraid of his job!

That would also be a GM who is gutsy too to let his manager do it. He is the one who'd have to deal with agents complaining their client is being overworked and asked to pitch 40 games a year vs. 33 type of thing and shortening his guy's career. Than you'd have A.J. Burnetts asking to be on the D.L. every 5 starts for rest type of thing. If it was that easy to implement I suspect someone would have tried it.

[Flames in 07]

I doubt starters would want to play for a team with a 4 man rotation.

I don't think reducing the starting staff would be a good idea in any respect.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Glavine was a goaltender. FYI.

[habernac]

yeah, 200 is a little low maybe.

[Bobblehead]

For Tom Glavine, among all the people who called to congratulate him on his 300th win, two stood out: Bobby Orr and Wayne Gretzky.
"Those guys were way better (at hockey) than I ever was at this game," said Glavine, a former Los Angeles Kings draft pick. "It was mind-boggling that those guys, great as they were, took the time to congratulate me."

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=215660&hubname=