2025/2026 Season Trade Rumours and Speculation Thread

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Pushing back on that dread with actual facts isn't name calling or protecting a safe space or any of the garbage produced above.

Originally Posted by Bingo

Do you want every post to come off as pissy?

We are all well aware of Flames history, but that doesn't change my definition of contending.

I’m just making sure I understand the “actual facts” before vocalizing an opinion.

Let’s actually do a dive into division winners vs playoff success:

2015-16 - 2 divisional winners knocked out in first round, 2 knocked out in the 2nd

2016-17 - 2 divisional winners knocked out in first round, 2 knocked out in the 2nd

2017-18 - 1 divisional winner wins the cup, another loses SCF, 1 knocked out in 2nd and 3rd round

2018-19 - All 4 divisional winners knocked out first round(!)

2019-20 - Disregarded due to shortened season and unequal games played.

2020-21 - 3 divisional winners knocked out in the first round, one knocked out in the 2nd round. This was with the divisional realignment where all of Canada was one division.

2021-22 - 1 cup winner, 3 out in the 2nd round.

2022-23 - 1 cup winner, 1 out in 2nd round, 2 out in first round

2023-24 - 1 cup winner, 2 out in the 3rd round, one out in the 2nd

2024-25 - all 4 divisions winners out in 2nd round

So in a 10 (9) year period out of 36 divisional winners you have:

3 cups
One SCF loser
3 made it to the 3rd round

Not a great correlation. There were 18 non-unique teams in the cup final and only 4 of which were divisional winners. The 3rd round had 36 non-unique teams featuring 7 divisional winners. This doesn’t really support your assertion that divisional winners translate into more success, if anything it shows that they don’t perform significantly different than any playoff team.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Dino7c and Aarongavey seem to really question why you'd even consider moving Kadri and Coleman at all.

lol don't be an asshat...this is why we can't have actual debate on here.

All I said was you don't give them away because because you aren't forced to trade them this season. If someone wants either it has to be one of those deals where people say wow they did well.

Like the Nelson or Carlo trades last year. Otherwise do it in the summer with more teams involved.

[Red Potato Standing By]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

I’m just making sure I understand the “actual facts” before vocalizing an opinion.

Let’s actually do a dive into division winners vs playoff success:

2015-16 - 2 divisional winners knocked out in first round, 2 knocked out in the 2nd

2016-17 - 2 divisional winners knocked out in first round, 2 knocked out in the 2nd

2017-18 - 1 divisional winner wins the cup, another loses SCF, 1 knocked out in 2nd and 3rd round

2018-19 - All 4 divisional winners knocked out first round(!)

2019-20 - Disregarded due to shortened season and unequal games played.

2020-21 - 3 divisional winners knocked out in the first round, one knocked out in the 2nd round. This was with the divisional realignment where all of Canada was one division.

2021-22 - 1 cup winner, 3 out in the 2nd round.

2022-23 - 1 cup winner, 1 out in 2nd round, 2 out in first round

2023-24 - 1 cup winner, 2 out in the 3rd round, one out in the 2nd

2024-25 - all 4 divisions winners out in 2nd round

So in a 10 (9) year period out of 36 divisional winners you have:

3 cups
One SCF loser
3 made it to the 3rd round

Not a great correlation. There were 18 non-unique teams in the cup final and only 4 of which were divisional winners. The 3rd round had 36 non-unique teams featuring 7 divisional winners. This doesn’t really support your assertion that divisional winners translate into more success, if anything it shows that they don’t perform significantly different than any playoff team.

So in other words try to get in and anything can happen.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

I’m just making sure I understand the “actual facts” before vocalizing an opinion.

Let’s actually do a dive into division winners vs playoff success:

2015-16 - 2 divisional winners knocked out in first round, 2 knocked out in the 2nd

2016-17 - 2 divisional winners knocked out in first round, 2 knocked out in the 2nd

2017-18 - 1 divisional winner wins the cup, another loses SCF, 1 knocked out in 2nd and 3rd round

2018-19 - All 4 divisional winners knocked out first round(!)

2019-20 - Disregarded due to shortened season and unequal games played.

2020-21 - 3 divisional winners knocked out in the first round, one knocked out in the 2nd round. This was with the divisional realignment where all of Canada was one division.

2021-22 - 1 cup winner, 3 out in the 2nd round.

2022-23 - 1 cup winner, 1 out in 2nd round, 2 out in first round

2023-24 - 1 cup winner, 2 out in the 3rd round, one out in the 2nd

2024-25 - all 4 divisions winners out in 2nd round

So in a 10 (9) year period out of 36 divisional winners you have:

3 cups
One SCF loser
3 made it to the 3rd round

Not a great correlation. There were 18 non-unique teams in the cup final and only 4 of which were divisional winners. The 3rd round had 36 non-unique teams featuring 7 divisional winners. This doesn’t really support your assertion that divisional winners translate into more success, if anything it shows that they don’t perform significantly different than any playoff team.

I mean there are 4 division winners every season and one cup winner...if you look at those consitent division winners though many of them while maybe not winning cups that exact year did win the cup within a couple years of being division champs. Good teams over 82 games are good teams that have a shot, playoffs are a crapshoot.

Vegas, Florida, Colorado, Tampa, the past 6 cup winners all have division titles mixed in there. They often have injuries or are resting players the years they don't.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Red Potato Standing By

So in other words try to get in and anything can happen.

Nope, in that same timeframe only 2 wildcard teams made the finals, both lost. Moral of the story is that being tops in the regular season means very little, but limping into the playoffs like some here eternally hope for is actually worse.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Nope, in that same timeframe only 2 wildcard teams made the finals, both lost. Moral of the story is that being tops in the regular season means very little, but limping into the playoffs like some here eternally hope for is actually worse.

Vegas, Florida, Colorado, Tampa

all won division titles within a year or two of their cups. Being a consitently good team goes a long way when it comes to winning a cup.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I mean there are 4 division winners every season and one cup winner...if you look at those consitent division winners though many of them while maybe not winning cups that exact year did win the cup within a couple years of being division champs. Good teams over 82 games are good teams that have a shot, playoffs are a crapshoot.

Vegas, Florida, Colorado, Tampa, the past 6 cup winners all have division titles mixed in there. They often have injuries or are resting players the years they don't.

Well yeah if you make your dataset wildly large of course you’ll be correct with otherwise watered down and worthless info.

[browntrout]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I don't think that's 100% fair.

they had a solid core and a contending team for five years with Gaudreau, Giordano, Monahan, Lindholm and Tkachuk.

Won two divisions. Had roughly 2 110 point seasons.

That's not plugging away.

Monahan got hurt. Covid hit and turned Americans against Canada and things fell apart as they do.

But this isn't a 90-95 point team every year.

How is their playoff record since 2004

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dino7c

lol don't be an asshat...this is why we can't have actual debate on here.

All I said was you don't give them away because because you aren't forced to trade them this season. If someone wants either it has to be one of those deals where people say wow they did well.

Like the Nelson or Carlo trades last year. Otherwise do it in the summer with more teams involved.

By several accounts the Flames had the opportunity to take the Carlo trade for Andersson last year but held onto him in an admirable but failed bid to make the playoffs. They were unable to move him this summer and are now selling him as a rental.

It is almost a certainty they could have got the Nelson return for Kadri last year but with the full NMC that was likely not a real option for them.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Well yeah if you make your dataset wildly large of course you’ll be correct with otherwise worthless info.

Using 4 of 16 teams on a given year with one winner to prove a point is better? All the real contenders are consitently top teams. It comes back to my original point...most cup winners have consitently high end regular seasons with division titles and top 5 overall finishes before they get over the hump and win it all. Flames lost that opportunity when guys bailed...they were a high end team though.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

By several accounts the Flames had the opportunity to take the Carlo trade for Andersson last year but held onto him in an admirable but failed bid to make the playoffs. They were unable to move him this summer and are now selling him as a rental.

It is almost a certainty they could have got the Nelson return for Kadri last year but with the full NMC that was likely not a real option for them.

I mean they will still get at least that so

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Thats kinda silly, a team consitently finishing at these levels eventually go on runs. There are 32 teams so if a cup is your only measure of success they isn't going to be a very fun hobby.

Total loser mentality. This is the proverbial "country club" mentality that used to be shat on hard. The flames have had it for decades. This is no doubt the exact feeling of club ownership and why the flames are unable to build a sustained contender team. 1 year in the last 25 we have been a legitimate contender and we got bounced by our rival. 1 other time we lucked our way to the finals.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Total loser mentality. This is the proverbial "country club" mentality that used to be shat on hard. The flames have had it for decades. This is no doubt the exact feeling of club ownership and why the flames are unable to build a sustained contender team. 1 year in the last 25 we have been a legitimate contender and we got bounced by our rival. 1 other time we lucked our way to the finals.

consitently winning division titles and and being a top team is a loser mentality lol

get a grip

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Using 4 of 16 teams on a given year with one winner to prove a point is better? All the real contenders are consitently top teams. It comes back to my original point...most cup winners have consitently high end regular seasons with division titles and top 5 overall finishes before they get over the hump and win it all. Flames lost that opportunity when guys bailed...they were a high end team though.

Using 4 of 16 teams x 3 years prior isn’t useful info. You can value it if you like, but thats muddied and worthless data.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I mean they will still get at least that so

Well it is a better return than either Hanifin or Tanev got as rentals so remains to be seen if Conroy will get more for Andersson than he did for the other top 4 D he has moved as rentals.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Using 4 of 16 teams x 3 years prior is worthless info. You can value it if you like, but thats muddied and worthless data.

I mean we see the same top teams year after year...they consitently make the playoffs and finish high in the standings

Flames could have potentially been one of those teams until those two bailed was the only point. That team wasn't built to sneak in.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Well it is a better return than either Hanifin or Tanev got as rentals so remains to be seen if Conroy will get more for Andersson than he did for the other top 4 D he has moved as rentals.

Tanev is irrelevant he isn't on the same level...Rasmus is getting a 1st+ which is what they could have gotten last season. He is playing way better this season he is likely worth MOAR

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

By several accounts the Flames had the opportunity to take the Carlo trade for Andersson last year but held onto him in an admirable but failed bid to make the playoffs. They were unable to move him this summer and are now selling him as a rental.

It is almost a certainty they could have got the Nelson return for Kadri last year but with the full NMC that was likely not a real option for them.

I've never heard this. Source?

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I mean we see the same top teams year after year...they consitently make the playoffs and finish high in the standings

Care to back that up with any statistics or are you just going to post platitudes? I’m pretty sure I know the answer to that.

[Toonage]

^^ I heard/read the same thing. I think it was LeBrun but would have to check